npskumar

Hi,
I use my M6 for my lectures.I tried uploading mp3 songs and i could not find it in the menu.But when i connect the player to my computer,it shows the mp3 songs are still in meizu m6.I could not fix the problem.Please help me.Thanks

Err0r

What firmware are you running?

If it's an old version, go to Music and Update Music Library.

npskumar

i updated my music list and i cannot find my songs

ghos

Only a couple things I can think of that could be the problem. Either your mp3 files are not really mp3 files (perhaps have no extension also) or they were recorded in a format that M6 doesn't recognize. There are different types of mp3 files, though rarely is it a problem.
I've not encountered this issue myself.

cconely

I think I'm having the same issue. I just got my M6 SP and filled it up w/ ~6.5 Gb of music, and a ton of them show up as unknown artist. They are all in MP3 format. running firmware 2.003.2.


All artist/album titles show up in window while M6 is connected to PC, a good chunk of them are just not organized correctly.

is there a max # of songs that are organized correctly or something?

thanks,

chad.

cconely

I'm too used to being spoiled by iTunes naming everything for me, regardless of how well they're tagged.

I did have to edit a bunch of my mp3 tags. Tagscanner 5.0 is pretty sweet! found all of my missing tags and let me update stuff in pretty large batches.

souldonut

Hi Chad,
I just bought the Meizu 8 gb media player and had the same problem. After screwing around a bit, I think I discovered how it works.

[observation 1]: In addition to finding your music with the "music" menu in the Meizu user interface, and navigating through albums/artists/etc, you can also use the "browser" utility, which allows you to walk into your individual subdirectories, play the music that way, etc.

[observation 2]: At least on my system, you cannot have subdirectories within MUSIC, say for genres. For example, I had directories named "punk_american", "punk_european", "ska", etc. For some reason, only the *first* sub directory (alphabetically) seemed to get indexed by the player. In my case, only "punk_american" got indexed. The other genres did not get indexed! Nor could I even find the music through the browser!?! But when I got rid of my genre directories and placed everything in the root MUSIC directory, everything was fine. It sucks a little, as I have way too many MP3s and like to use genres, but whatever. Hopefully this will get fixed in a future version.

[observation 3]: Some of my albums were mis-tagged and thus got listed as "unknown artist" or some crap. For this I got a really nice freeware program "mp3tag" (version 2.39 from a german site: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/). This is a very powerful tool that quickly allows you to re-tag your MP3s. One great feature is being able to select an artist (by directory) and then re-tag all of the albums (in subdirectories) in a single command. I highly recommend this program, it rocks and did exactly what I wanted it to do.

[observation 4]: Not sure about the "maximum # of songs" thing. I have about 3300 songs on my 8gb unit without any problem.


good luck!
-marc

Bloody

That's quit strange. I usually put my music with 2 or 3 sub-levels like, for example :
Artist/Album/ogg/*.ogg under MUSIC.
And this works fine (M6 SP, 8GB).

Regards

DaremoS

That of no subdirectories is completely wrong!!!... This only confuses the users!!!

Only is needed to use properly tags in all mp3 files.
That's all the problem.

Use either ID3v1 or ID3v2 without embedded cover art, and the player will work fine.
The only way that the player can recognize and order songs is when songs have corresponding tags... this applies to all kind of formats... except APE for the moment and WAV.

Tagging have nothing to do with folder at any level wanted... it can be used subdirectories as wanted.

Beware!!! songs (mp3) must have a minimum size reasonable... let's said 2 o 3 seconds of sound.
We recently heard of case similar to this related with use of iTunes. Test your player with another organizer also.

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souldonut

I just re-confirmed the behavior, which you say is mistaken, yet once again on my Meizu M6 8 gb player. (firmware version = "S 2.003.2" ) I believe this is a reproducible bug.

[1] I'm starting with about 100 artists of music in my MUSIC directory, that all work fine and are properly tagged with album/artist/song title/etc.
[2] First connect via USB
[3] Now I create two directories: "aaa" and "bbb" (e.g. two genres).
[4] Then I move five or six artists into "aaa" and five or six artists into "bbb".
[5] Disconnect USB; allow the player to update its music library.
[6] Then I check and find out that the artists/albums contained in "aaa" and "bbb" have not been indexed! Furthermore, I enter the Meizu "browser" mode, find the "aaa" and "bbb" directories, the artists and albums are there, but if I enter the album subdirectories, none of the MP3 music is visible !?!
[7] Lastly, I move the artists from "aaa" and "bbb" back into the MUSIC root directory, re-update; and everything works fine.

Please explain how this experiment is flawed. Can someone else attempt my experiment as well and report back the results? thank you

Fyi - my typical organization is: genre/artist/album/*.mp3 (which has, so far, been
problematic for me on the Meizu).

-marc

DaremoS

Marc... I don't even need to do the test to tell you that I believe you that the player don't see those files in two conditions

1. Outside \MUSIC folder.
Most sure that the player don't see your files because in that version of firmware music must go under \MUSIC as photos under \PICTURES and e-books under \TEXT.
I've made a test in my version of firmware T2.004 and of 2 folders outside of \MUSIC only 1 was NOT recognized... the other played without problems. Outside \MUSIC folder behaviour is erratic.

2. Inside \MUSIC folder.
All folder I created played very well without problems.

In both cases I talk of folders with no relation with ID3 tag i named them \aaa and \aab supposing that aaa and aab are genres

The thing is that in latest version of firmware dependencies with ID3 have more flexibility as I wrote in this thread concerning cover art Three method of Cover art in Meizu players now folders structure is less rigid that in previous firmwares.

Remember that all related with organization is ID3 dependant then as "genre" is not considered in Meizu players organization... your personal organization: genre/artist/album/*.mp3 could produce problems. This is not so in latest firmware.

Your optimal organization in firmware version x2.004.4 is: MUSIC\genre\artist\album\*.mp3...TESTED by me!!.
As additional information cover art have to go in \ALBUMS folder to display correctly: method 1 of my above thread. It also can be used Method 3 but taking care of name of folder rules. Method 2 won't work for you.

Update your firmware and your problems will disappear... if not kindly give us all the information you can and we will tell you how to solve it.
Meizu software works fine will ALL the level of folders that you need.

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souldonut

Hi Daremos,
Thanks for the information.
Might as well mention (forgot to above), that "aaa" and "bbb" are inside MUSIC. I.e.:

/MUSIC/aaa/artist/album/*.mp3 (did not work)
/MUSIC/bbb/artist/album/*.mp3 (did not work)
/MUSIC/artist/album/*.mp3 (works fine)

However, I did just upgrade the firmware, as you suggest, from "S 2.003.2" to "M6 S2004.3", now the problem appears to be solved!! (I.e. using "aaa" and "bbb" directories now works correctly). Thanks for your help.
-marc

DaremoS

marc
That's good!!!

To be sincere... I'm loving the way my Meizu player is working now
Now the firmware is solving the problem of lots of users.
Was nice to help you :D

souldonut

Hi DaremoS,
Aargh, just as I hoping this problem was solved..........
I just thought I'd report that the same strange behavior I that I was experiencing before returned even after I upgraded the firmware (to version M6 S2004.3).
As you recall, earlier today I made nonsense "genre" directories (e.g. /MUSIC/aaa/artist/album/*.mp3), and verified that artists placed in "aaa" were successfully indexed and accessible. So now, I deleted everything in /MUSIC directory and start the directory again from scratch.

[1] My genres were:
emo, folk, indie, punk_american, punk_european, rock, ska (Each of genre was created as a subdirectory in "/MUSIC").

[2] I copied artists into each of the genre subdirectories to completely fill up my player, then allowed it to update itself.

[3] Result: A large # of artists did not get indexed at all, and were not accessible through the browser! (particularly, artists in "punk_european", and about 10 out of 30 artists in "punk_american"). None of the albums had tag problems that I could discern using the "mp3tag" utility (all have reasonable artist/album names)

[4] When I moved all of the artists back into /MUSIC (i.e. no genre subdirectories) the problem disappeared, just like before. Upon updating, all artists/album names could be found through the "music" submenu and also through the "browser" tool, and all songs could be played fine too.

I think I'm losing my mind. I'm really wondering if anyone else has observed this phenomena. (and subsequently observed the problem go away by not using genre subdirectories). As far as I know, there is nothing strange/unique with my MP3 files.
I'll be out of town for a few days and will continue trying to track this problem when I get back.
-marc

DaremoS

Come on marc... why all this desperation???

You are being supported very well here... I told you that your problem will be solved in a satisfactory way because my Meizu player is capable of do anything ... when all is backed up on a good managing of ID3.

Here is what a user have to do, but this time with a tool to avoid mistakes or wrong letters, we will use mp3tag which is a free tool (donate them!!) v2.39e, to be sure that we are talking of the same tool, there is another mp3tag in the net that is pure shit (v5... whatever).

[1] Press ctrl-D to Change Directory and choose x:\MUSIC where x is the letter assigned by the PC to your Meizu player.
mp3tag will read all the songs of your entire Meizu. all formats can be read with this tool.
[2] Select all the tracks you want to put in your folder structure (a bit weird IMHO but it's ok)
[3] Right click on selected tracks and choose "convert" tag - filename, in order to tell the program what tag fields will create the structure. In "select format string" write the following: %genre%\%artist%\%album%\$num(%track%,2) - %title%
Press "preview" to check visually what the program will do.
Press OK for the program to reorder your structure
Note: $num(%track%,2) - %title% <----------- I use this in my collection, you can use any thing you want... what is important is this ----> %genre%\%artist%\%album%\ that will go under \MUSIC folder
[4] Unplug you player and run "Update Music Lib." if it doesn't run automatically.

With this you'll be sure that all data in ID3 will be reflected accurately in your folders.

Let us know what happen... in my Meizu player this has work fine... with an extra I add "year" before "album name" and I add cover art en each folder... you can add cover art in \ALBUMS folder with format aaaaaa.jpg where aaaaaa = album art according with ID3.

enjoy!!

Important... I use mp3tag which is good but can fail moving some tracks... which is important here is the new folders structure, tracks not moved by mp3tag can be moved manually.
This is not a problem of Meizu player but of mp3tag.

mutescream

Thanks DaremoS, your instructions just helped me greatly. I was going nuts with the same problem.

souldonut

Hey DaremoS,
I finally got a chance to try out what you suggested, and it seems to work perfectly (so far at least :-). Thank you so much for your detailed instructions. You rock dude
-marc

DaremoS

you welcome

souldonut

Hey Daremos,
So I finally got a chance to more carefully test my system, and have indeed found another very troubling behavior.

[1] To review: I have an 8 gb miniplayer unit (SP version) running Firmware S 2.004.4 that I just installed last month.

[2] As you suggested, I re-tagged my entire library based on my directory structure using Mp3Tag v2.39. To do this: connected via USB to the Meizu, ran MP3Tag , I selected all of my files, right clicked, used the "filename --> tag" option, then entered the string "%genre%\%artist%\%album%\%title%". I previewed the results, confirmed that they all looked good, and then I saved.

[3] At this point, on my Meizu, I had three directories in my MUSIC directory, corresponding to my genres:

x:\MUSIC\punk_american_part1
x:\MUSIC\punk_european
x:\MUSIC\folk
and each was populated with artists for the three genres
Ok, so far so good.

[4] I used the export function of MP3Tag to create a nice Excel spreadsheet of my music collection, and placed it on my web server: http://plasmodium.sfsu.edu/~marc/0temp/marc-music-on-meizu.xls

(unfortunately the "export to CSV" option does not export the genre, but I can confirm that the genre was set properly by the program).

Wierd Observation #1
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[1] I reboot the Meizu, allowed it to update, etc.
[2] When I entered the "Music" menu within the Meizu, and browsed my artist selection, a whole bunch of artists were missing !?! In fact, only about 30-50% of the artists were found.
[3] The artists that were indexed properly could be played perfectly fine.
[4] When I enter the "Browser" option from the root Meizu menu, I can see all of the artists, even the ones that it did not catch while updating.
[5] ***But***, when trying to play a song from one of these artists, the song does not play, but instead a *different* song starts playing. In my case it was the last song of the last artist (alphabetically) on the player. On my player that is the band "Youth Brigade", song #27, "Sink With Kalifornia". (You can see that this happens to be the last song on my Excel Spreadsheet, see above)
[6] That behavior was observed for any artist/album that, somehow, did not get indexed properly during the update routine, when I tried to play via the Browser function. They all played this Youth Brigade song. (very bizarre!)

Wierd Observation #2
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[1] Then I moved my artist directories out of the genre directories directly into x:\MUSIC, allowed Meizu to re-update
[2] Now when I enter the Meizu "Music" menu, it seems to detect all of the artists fine (including ones that were not detected above in Observation #1). The system seems to be working fine now, and all songs seem to play properly (the wierd "Youth Brigade" behavior was not observed at all on the artists where it happened previously)
[3] However, at least one of my Artists, named "mr_t_experience" only shows two albums when there really are nine albums total in that directory.
[4] When leaving the "Music" menu and navigating through the "Browser" menu, I do confirm that all nine albums by "mr_t_experience" do exist, and indeed all of the songs within the albums appear to play fine. But somehow those albums did not get indexed.
[5] The album names that did seem to get indexed are called "alcatraz" and "big_black_bugs_bleed_blue_blood" (seen in my Excel spreadsheet at row #1029).
[6] I can't see any reason why the other seven albums were not indexed. According to Mp3tag, all nine albums were tagged properly and consistently using the "ID3v1 ID3v2.3" encoding system.
[7] There could very well be other artists with the problem observed in [4-6], but I haven't looked too extensively at least yet.

Conclusions (tentatively)
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[1] Genre directories still cause something wierd to happen on my system, particularly: a large # of artists do not get indexed and cannot be found in the "Music" navigation tool; within the "Browser tool", playing one song causes a different song to play ("youth brigade" problem above)
[2] Moving the artists out of the genre directories seems to solve this problem
[3] But some artists still do not play using the "Music" menu system ("mr_t_experience"), but can be played when I navigate through the "browser" system.
[4] Thus, for the time being, my best luck has been using the "browser" system to play my music. (That really isn't a big deal to me)

I'll keep playing with this to try to narrow down on the root cause of this problem. I'd be willing to send someone a DVD of my music if it would help me troubleshoot this issue. I'm a little surprised no one else has observed this behavior (!?!), but I also think it's possible that it's happening without people noticing.

I really doubt that it's a problem fundamental with my particular music collection, because using the "Browser" function all of my songs appear to play successfully.

Afterthought
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My Meizu system is fairly full (i.e. 268 mb free). Could that be a problem? I'm wondering if the "update" routine requires a certain amount of space?

thanks everyone who has been able to help me. (particularly Daremos)
-marc

DaremoS

Marc...

did you count the numbers of files you have?

There is a known bug of Meizu players which is to allow up to 2048 songs in lists and maybe the same amount is the limit of files controlled by function "Update Library Music".

Check this please... I imagine that songs over that limit mess the whole sort.