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This is a discussion on Generic Charger within the Technical forums, part of the miniPlayer M6 / SL category; I have a (dont know what brand) charger, it says its output is: +5.0V --- 0.25A Will it be alright ...

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    Generic Charger

    I have a (dont know what brand) charger, it says its output is: +5.0V --- 0.25A Will it be alright if i charge my meizu with this? I looked in other posts and they measure it in mA, so i dont know if 0.25A is more or is less than what my meizu needs :$

    I also ask again if someone could help me with my other album problem :_
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    Is there any limitation on how much songs per artist/album or something like that?

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    Your charger won't work. The M6 needs at minimum 400mA which corresponds to 0.4A. Also be warned that eventhough it says more than the required amount, it might still not work. I've got a charger which can deliver 0.5A, but the M6 didn't respond to it.

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    Thank you, very sad though I had three players and it worked in none of them :_

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    While I don't know what the charging current requirements are for the M6, I think mfb is right about the 400mA (1000mA = 1 Amp or 1A). Meizu's own AC charger has an output of 500mA at 5v.

    Also mfb is right about a lot of these chargers have ratings that are higher than what they can actually deiliver printed on the casing. Most generic/no brand USB AC adapter chargers can only deliver 200mA to 300mA.

    If you are interested in getting an inexpensive charger, try www(dot)dealextreme(dot)com, and search for "0037" which is the product's sku number. It's a 600mA USB AC charger and one of the reviewers says specifically that he/she was able to charge the M6 with it. You can't beat the price of $4.44 including shipping. I've bought quite a few things from dealextreme and never had a problem. The shipping takes about 10 days though for deliveries to the US.

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    Just a word of caution, there is a sticky on Meizu BBS regarding the use of generic\non-meizu chargers with Meizu players. It reports that a large number of players returned for post-sale service have failed as a result of using alternate chargers. Problems of diminished battery life, circuitry damage due to unstable current etc are quoted.
    You can view the thread HERE

    I did most of my m6 charging via-usb however on occasion I used a generic charger (5.2V, 400ma) which seemed to work without problem, although I can not directly associate it with the use of a non-meizu charger within 12 months my M6 battery charge capacity had seriously deminished to the point where a full charge would only give me 6-7 hours of audio and 10 minutes of video before the player shutdown.

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    Wow madman, that's new. I thought i wouldn't matter that much, seeing as the M6 by standard charges of the USB-port of a notebook or PC which don't all have that stable power. (Every PSU is different)
    I charge from my notebook's USB-port, that's fine I hope.

    I also read a thread in the German part of MeizuMe where someone had a Chinese 'for Meizu' charger which exploded. :P
    Last edited by mfb; 10-22-2007 at 02:29 PM.

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    I also read a thread in the German part of MeizuMe where someone had a Chinese 'for Meizu' charger which exploded.
    Whilst I can not make any comment on the exploding charger you mention I would assume as with all electronics that even authentic Meizu chargers are subject to the odd dud every now and then.

    It is also worth mentioning that there are also a number of counterfit Meizu branded\labeled chargers available in China most the same as lower quality generic chargers that come with a lot of the no-name cheaper players.

    In China Meizu actually offer a reward of 1000 CNY for information relating to licensed dealers selling unauthorised chargers and PT850 earphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Whilst I can not make any comment on the exploding charger you mention I would assume as with all electronics that even authentic Meizu chargers are subject to the odd dud every now and then.

    It is also worth mentioning that there are also a number of counterfit Meizu branded\labeled chargers available in China most the same as lower quality generic chargers that come with a lot of the no-name cheaper players.

    In China Meizu actually offer a reward of 1000 CNY for information relating to licensed dealers selling unauthorised chargers and PT850 earphones.
    I didn't metion it being an original charger. I thougt the 'for Meizu' part made it clear: it was counterfit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Just a word of caution, there is a sticky on Meizu BBS regarding the use of generic\non-meizu chargers with Meizu players. It reports that a large number of players returned for post-sale service have failed as a result of using alternate chargers. Problems of diminished battery life, circuitry damage due to unstable current etc are quoted.
    You can view the thread HERE
    Thanks for the info., madman. Yeah, I can see some of the generic switching power supplies are poorly designed and/or made of low quality material, and Meizu, with no means to test and qualify the numerous products out there in the Chinese market, decided to dissuade the M6 users from using anything else but the Meizu chargers, over which they do have control.

    While I can't endorse any particular (inexpensive) switching power supply out there, I must concur with mfb that strictly speaking USB's power is generally considered to be unclean by engineering standards. But I guess the assumption there is that the regulated power in a laptop is still much better than a $2 AC adapter. :D

    Actually this got me thinking - most charger ICs (the chip inside the Meizu) can handle slight variations on the voltage (5% to 10%). Switching power supplies generally have some some ripples on the output voltage (in the worst case it would be a saw-tooth pattern for the bad designs). So when we are away from a computer, we may be better off by using 4 NiMH batteries (see link below, provided you are using them already for other purposes for cost reasons), to charge the player than using a cheap 5v AC adapter. The NiMH batteries' voltage will come down over time (slowly) but remains relatively stable over the charging period. And the 2300mAH or 2500mAH batteries can put out 1A easily (I know that because I use this setup to charge my Axim pocket PC, which requires 1.2A, anything less the Axim will not charge at all).

    http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

    Meizu also sells a backup battery power supply using only two AA batteries, there is a booster IC in that unit and if that's endorsed by Meizu then I would assume the 4-battery setup should also be (not ideal, but) acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I did most of my m6 charging via-usb however on occasion I used a generic charger (5.2V, 400ma) which seemed to work without problem, although I can not directly associate it with the use of a non-meizu charger within 12 months my M6 battery charge capacity had seriously deminished to the point where a full charge would only give me 6-7 hours of audio and 10 minutes of video before the player shutdown.
    As to your battery, isn't the average for iPod batteries about 18 months? I doubt the occasional use of a generic charger would have a drastic impact on your battery, by the way, what is the "life expectancy" of the M6 batteries anyway? 2 years?

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    Many USB chargers designed for use with other products (i.e. plug directly into a wall outlet with a fixed USB end) have a reverse polarity that won't work with the Meizu.

    I use and sell generic USB wall chargers (just the charger itself to be used with any standard mini USB cable) that work fine with the Meizu. The specs are 5V +/- .2V, and output of 200 - 300mA. It charges my 8GB M6 and M3 just fine, and I haven't seen any changes to battery life with about 4 months of usage.
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