Time in between songs.

Hello, I wonder if there is (if so I never found it) or could be a settings that manages the time in seconds between two songs.
It is really bothering that live songs with people cheering and applausing get stop and resume 1 second later.

this is a well-known problem in the firmware, no solution. sorry

its due to the player misjuding the length of the song, It thinks its 3 minunites when it is actaully 2:55 so therefore it adds on an extra 5 seccond of repeated crap to then end.

Originally Posted by lite

its due to the player misjuding the length of the song, It thinks its 3 minunites when it is actaully 2:55 so therefore it adds on an extra 5 seccond of repeated crap to then end.

I think what karibouben was trying to say is that the player is not gapless. There's always a gap between two songs.

But what you are refering is also a problem more annoying. Like you said the player seems to add some repeated crap at the end of the song for a few seconds, it seems like the player is stuck. But the strange thing is that (from my own experience) it doesn't happen on all the songs. Or I should say it doesn't happen on all albums.

For example it will happen on all the songs of an album but it will not happen on the songs of another album (there will just be the little gap between two songs).

I know it's a problem of the current firmware (it wasn't happening in v 1.xxx versions), but I was wondering what could be the problem.

At first I thought it could be a problem with the album art, like the player has some problems loading the cover so it gets stuck for a few seconds. But it doesn't seem to be the case since I've tried to listen to an album which has the problem without any album art be the problem was still here.


Then I thought the problem could be the encoding, but there again I tried to listen albums encoded with the same encoder and the problem was present but not on all albums. So the problem is elsewhere.

Originally Posted by the_hellseeker

Like you said the player seems to add some repeated crap at the end of the song for a few seconds, it seems like the player is stuck. But the strange thing is that (from my own experience) it doesn't happen on all the songs.

I think it only happens when there is no silence at the end of a song
(live- recordings, etc.).

Originally Posted by my zoo

I think it only happens when there is no silence at the end of a song
(live- recordings, etc.).

Actually it also happens if there is a silence between two tracks. The thing is you can barely hear it. It depends on what kind of earphones you are using. I use Creative EP-630 and I can hear it.

Ok I found what is the problem. I would like to remember that I'm not talking about the small gap between two songs (which is normal considering the fact that the player is not gapless), but a much longer gap (sometimes up to more than 5 seconds).

Despite what I said before, the problem seems to be the album art. And especially the fact that the mp3 files are tagged with the cover of the album.
The thing is that when you add an album cover to the mp3 tag you just add some data to file.
But the problem is that the M6 interpret this additional data as audio data (which is not the case). It's like the M6 is trying to read an image while thinking it's audio. So that's why we get some repeating crap at the end of the songs. And this gap is proportional to the size of the cover added to the file. That meens that you will have a longer gap if you had a 500k image file than a 30k file.

There is a solution to this problem (hopefully).
The thing is not to add a cover image to the mp3 tags. You can still use the cover but putting it in the folder as usual and it will be displayed correctly (if named correctly).
If you already have some mp3 tagged with an album cover the simple fact of retagging the file and removing the album art tag will not solve the problem though. To really get rid of the problem you will have to reencode your files.

I use Easy CD-DA Extractor to encode my files and Tag&Rename to add the album art to the files.

Here are the test I did:
- Tried an album with a cover in the folder and tagged files with the cover too: the problem was present.
- Tried an album with no cover in the folder and tagged files: the problem was present.
- Tried an album with no cover in the folder and retagged files: the problem was still here.
- Tried an album with no cover in folder, retagged and reencoded files: the problem was gone.
- Tried an album with cover in folder, retagged and reencoded files: the problem was gone and the album art was displaying correctly.

that's interesting information, hellseeker ! That would be nice if it really works to prevent the crap playback.

But the problem still occurs with songs that have no album art all (neither in the tags nor elsewhere), if there is no silence at the end of a song.

Originally Posted by my zoo

But the problem still occurs with songs that have no album art all (neither in the tags nor elsewhere), if there is no silence at the end of a song.

If you are referring to the small gap between two songs (less than one second), like I said before it's totally normal since the player is not gapless. So there's the gap for all songs, even for songs with a silence at the end. Maybe it will be resolved with a new firmware.
I remember a while ago my old iRiver H120 was not gapless, but by installing another firmware (Rockbox in this case) it became gapless. I also remember that the iPod 5G at the beginning was not gapless but Apple released a firmware making it gapless (even though the Rockbox firmware made the player gapless long before Apple released their firmware).

But sometimes it is due to hardware limitations. So in this case there is not much to do.

The problem I was talking in my post concerned the loop playback at the end of the songs (with or without silence at the end).

I hope Meizu will correct this bug in the next release.

Originally Posted by the_hellseeker

The problem I was talking in my post concerned the loop playback at the end of the songs (with or without silence at the end).
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That's what i was talking about too.
Maybe this problem occurs in both cases. Did you ever try a song without a silence in its end?
I have only 3-4 songs with this problem, but they are without album art.

I have tried with some song with no silence at the end and the problem is not present with files that are not tagged with a cover.

But usually if the problem is present for one song it's also present for all the songs of the album (at least in my case).

This is, unfortunately, a problem with the firmware. It is, in fact, not trivial from a programming standpoint to have files play back perfectly seamlessly. it requires the software to queue up some of the audio from the next track into memory prior to the current one ending. The problem may be further exacerbated by album art, and it certainly by the mp3 format itself which is not inherently gapless. Formats like OGG and FLAC are, however the Meizu is unable to play even this perfectly seamlessly.

The sad thing is that it seems that this feature is not something the majority of users even notice, much less desire. I was previously the owner of a Rio Karma which had the distinction at the time of being the only player on the market with software robust enough to offer this functionality. When I decided it was time to make the jump to a non-hard drive based player, I looked far and wide for one that offered this, and ultimately opted on Meizu in spite of the fact that it cannot offer gapless playback.

Fans of live music and electronic music (of which I am both) are a niche market, and as of yet none of the portable audio manufacturers have taken us seriously enough to offer this.

Even if you have perfectly ripped files, with the current software, it will ALWAYS insert a very short gap...you really do need to listen for it sometimes, but it's there.

...paging Meizu - cue support will solve all! actually surprised that little company from Cupertino has not put this in place seeing that the Rockbox gang did the grunt work for them already.