LINUX on miniplayer

mfb · 10-28-2007

Originally Posted by Hendrik

No. People will try to get a free repair though. I've seen a lot of people doing things on their hardware and then, when they damaged it, tried to get a new one for free. There was even one person who drilled holes!!! into his wlan router and he claimed free repair!

People will always try that.

Writing the software: x people for x months. They want their salary, too. So with every sold piece of hardware you will pay for the salary of the software developers, too.
If a company doesn't have to pay for the software they can build the same player and can sell it for less money. So the first company which developed the software will not sell their players anymore because they can't offer the same price because there are more people who want to get their salary.

Offcourse they will get their salary. Did you actually read my post? Making a complete rip-off of the player is illegal. It won't happen. Next to that, there already are a lot of M6 rip-offs in China, but even with all those rip-offs Meizu is very popular. The same counts for, for example iPod rip-offs. A rip-off will never be as popular as the original.

Yeah, for sure. Try selling an mp3player without software. Only the hardware but no mp3 playback. Good luck!

Again, did you read my post? Your reply has nothing to do with the quotation you put above it. I never implies anything about a firmwareless player. Offcourse a firmwareless player is worthless. I said that when the firmware is open it's a big plus for certain buyers. Just look at the popularity of Rockbox and iPodLinux.

Hendrik · 10-28-2007

Originally Posted by mfb

Again, did you read my post?

Sure.

Originally Posted by mfb

Again bullshit. Money is made on selling the hardware,.

That implies that you will only buy the hardware and not the software.
Although hardware rip-offs may be illegal in China, too, I bet people will do it anyway. It's not that hard, put together some chips and put a case around. A mp3player is not that difficult as it uses standardized chips.

Although projects like rockbox are very popular (at least in your point of view) you will need a firmware for the player in the beginning (as far as I understand the procedure). You will have to pay the software developers for this work. If a second company "steals" this firmware (because it fits without modifying on "their" players), they can sell their players cheaper than the first company and therefore the first company will not sell as much players as it would be possible.

Please, get me right: I like open software especially for more simple things like mp3players but I can understand every company, which does not want to make their software/firmware/whatsoever open.

mfb · 10-28-2007

Originally Posted by Hendrik

That implies that you will only buy the hardware and not the software.
Although hardware rip-offs may be illegal in China, too, I bet people will do it anyway. It's not that hard, put together some chips and put a case around. A mp3player is not that difficult as it uses standardized chips.

As I said: They already do. And they are not even near the popularity of the original product.

Although projects like rockbox are very popular (at least in your point of view) you will need a firmware for the player in the beginning (as far as I understand the procedure). You will have to pay the software developers for this work. If a second company "steals" this firmware (because it fits without modifying on "their" players), they can sell their players cheaper than the first company and therefore the first company will not sell as much players as it would be possible.

Again: It won't happen. You might overestimate the amount of costs for firmware development, a lot comes from open-source projects already, the M6 uses SoX for audio decoding for example. The firmware will never work on another player unmodified. Most of the firmware is written in assembler for speed and power consumption sakes, assembler is bound to the exact hardware. It's difficult to understand assembler to get individual pieces out of it. You would still need a very good engineer for that. But it is possible to reverse engineer it enough to create new code to drive the hardware.

Also, when the license is the GPL (like Rockbox and Linux), derivative code must bear the same license. Thus, everybody benefits.

LTourist · 11-04-2007

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Very simple. You may damage your player by using another firmware. So there is no warranty anymore and you probably have to pay for the repair. You'll tell that to your friends and they will probably not buy a product of this company.

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Sorry for the misunderstood, I didn't want to ask a real question... I agree with your opinion, I wanted to say that if it would be such simple, their will exist lot's of open firmware throught the world... In my own opinion, their is two ends with open firmware : the company make lots of money due to many sells... Or it closes its doors... That's a big deal, and I perfectly understand why companies don't want to open their firmwares... But that's so sad

Rika! · 11-25-2007

anyone have documentation for SA58700X07 ?

mfb · 11-25-2007

Originally Posted by Rika!

anyone have documentation for SA58700X07 ?

Nope. That's what's troubling everyone who would like to try I guess. Maybe ask Samsung realy nicely? :P

Hendrik · 11-26-2007

Originally Posted by mfb

Maybe ask Samsung realy nicely? :P

Like Cartman: 'But mooooooooooooooooooooom....' :P

Rika! · 11-26-2007

http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/vie...07_ARM9_200Mhz
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...artnum=SA58700
- some info i've got.

kele051 · 11-27-2007

支持你们，热烈期待希望你们能为miniplayer编出LINUX ，呵呵

umo · 12-06-2007

it would be awesome to have an open firmware happening. has anything like this been attempted at all? When i looked into in over a year ago meizu were very against the idea, and like audifish has said, i've never been able to find any data on the m6's chips..

beavel · 05-17-2008

Originally Posted by Pytak

Just so you know, the M6 CPU is @200 mhz, I'm sure that's enough to run linux.

hmm. wouldnt it be cool to underclock it to gain battery life. its probably not using full computing capacity plaing only audio.

beavel · 05-17-2008

Originally Posted by Lexridge

Why re-create the wheel? Perhaps as a group we could take donations in order to send an M6/M6SE to the developers of Rockbox, in order to help them develop RockBox for the M6.

be carefull on that "recreate wheel" :-D YouTube - Theo Jansen: The art of creating creatures

beavel · 05-17-2008

Originally Posted by dravik

All linux operating systems are free,

not true .

M47Z · 05-17-2008

Whats Linux without a keybord?
- Look at Linux for Ipod... its awesome!

advantages are feq that u can run selfmade programs, new codecs, new interfaces, wikipedia and so on...

and its NOT IMPOSSIBLE
u just need someone who can do it (;