Ipod touch-Nano hands on first impressions.

yes but saying the "luxurious car" is crap compared to a "non-luxurious car" is really naive.

Originally Posted by pals

yes but saying the "luxurious car" is crap compared to a "non-luxurious car" is really naive.

Really?... what figure would you use to tell of a MP4 player that cost US$ 500.- compared with one which cost US$ 150?

Apple products are great, that i would agree. But there not great in all aspects of every feature they add. The main thing i like about ipod's is their rich intuitive interface and how smooth you navigate.. the build quality, BUT the music quality alone on the Meizu is enough to keep me away from apple.

If i was to buy an ipod product it would be for something it offers that none other can do better.. so what the iPod Touch has is their connectivity and Touch interface. its astonishing.

This is good, coz i sure hope Meizu developers are reading these kinds of threads and working-on up coming products better than ipod's.

is that the ipod touch?


or a PMP version?

It's the touch. Hey, I would buy an Apple product anyday if they chop their price down.

give it to me and i will scratch your screen^^

Originally Posted by mfb

I must agree with you that the hardware/software integration on Apple products is superb. Using my brothers Mac a few times in the past really impressed me, and I can see the same applied to the iPhone and iPod Touch. I'm a big fan of Meizu, I just hope they can keep up with Apple on this. The only problem with the M6 are stupid firmware problems. Seeing that the M8 is going to run on Windows I can only see more software problems coming up for Meizu.

All chinese PMPs work on microshit software to some extent. That will be hard to change, as they are too lazy to properly code their own. That's one reason for the general bugginess of those devices.

Originally Posted by pals

sorry dude, but the ipod handles even lossless (alac) audio compression, plain and simple.
and by the way: the meizu can't even play mp3 files properly, I mean how come an mp3player has bugs like stuttering, tapping, bad id3 tags management, PuPu (yea poopin) bugs, bad sorting etc.?

and yes i know there ARE workarounds like converting everything to ogg. what i am going to do anyway. but the average user just expects a product "WORKING OUT OF THE BOX".
I mean, would u like to have a TOASTER which will burn your toasts from time to time? (stuttering bug)
or toasting at variable heat, making bread nontoasted or burned? (bad sorting bug?)
making some weird noises (PuPu bug)

just a comparison.

i don't want to f++k with my toaster everytime i get up, now do you?
and this is the case with every product and the reason people were so often bitchin at windows.

and yea, video @ 20fps does suck, 25 fps is the absolute minimum

movie playback? well if you really need it and I consider you to do so if you list it as an important feature - then install rockbox. THERE you will have double functionality leaving meizu players behind in terms of hackability and audio format support and you will have VIDEO support.

Stuttering? Hey, Winamp does that sometimes too.
"PuPu" noise? This has been fixed.
Bad ID3 tag management? What do you mean about it???
Bad sorting? If the inability to sort by genre means "bad sorting" for you, then you should learn what folders are used for. Seriously.

Yes, everybody is bitching at windoze. I do it too, and i usually have serious reasons to. But it's coz everyone uses windoze, and microshit doesn't get their lazy asses to work and come up with a properly usable operating system (vista=unnecessary and slow bloat) coz they have enough money not to care about what people really want.

But there are many PDAs that use windoze mobile, and no one bitches at HP or Palm when they announce a new PDA with windoze mobile. Think about it a little.

20FPS not enough for a 2.4 inch screen? I don't think so. Go buy a laptop.

I have a Toshiba Portege 4000 and even though it's old it still gets ~5 hours on a charge and can play just about any media (unless you want HD, which on a 12.1 inch screen would be useless anyway). Oh, and it has wifi too.

I think almost 90% of the people that buy the ipod touch never use the wifi. They buy it coz it's made by apple not coz it has that and that and that.

Take the shuffle - it doesn't even have a display, and has a SigmaTel chipset inside (SigmaTel chips are very good performers but their firmware department is TERRIBLE, i have a SigmaTel player and when i play a song from the file browser it fucks up the random mode, the playlist, or both). Yet people bought the shuffle when it was out, and i think there are some who still have it coz they don't need more.

A PMP is a PMP, damn it! So what if the M7 doesn't have wifi, 100 gigs of space, multi-touch interface, blah blah blah. It will be a PMP, so it will be designed to PLAY MUSIC and WATCH VIDEOS and have a neat user interface and great sound quality while still being affordable, and that's just what it'll do.

PS. IMO, the M6SL beats any ipod in sound quality and is almost as good in terms of user interface. My only problem with it is that fonts aren't anti-aliased and look a bit pixelized, but that's all, i love everything else about it. :D

Well. I'm thinking about getting a iTouch actually. The GUI is amazing. And so is the WiFi(internet, youtube) function. It's really cool if you jailbreak it, to chat on MSN or play roms with emulators. I don't know if you void the warranty if you jailbreak it? Is there any way to restore it to original settings?

Also, for people in UK/EU, you should import it from USA, I mean if you know someone that can ship you it. And, when they are going to ship it, tell them to mark the package with a value lower than 30 usd and mark it as a gift, to avoid taxes. I think that apple products have a worldwide warrannty so it is smarter to import it I guess. :P

comparing a ipod touch to an meizu m6 doesnt feel totally right, the m6 is not as updated as the ipod touch with all its features, and was meant to challenge the ipod nano

The ipod touch is a very nice piece, the engineering on it is truly remarkable. There is no other mp3 player on the planet with a long battery life, large 3.5 inch screen, wireless and advanced touch technology in such a slim enclosure. I just wish you could get one that supported xvid and didn't require itunes. This will always be my problem with apple devices. Plus the fact that 1/4 of the planet probably own one as well. There is something I find quite irritating about having a device so many other people own......it would make me feel like another apple drone.

Also no matter what anyone says about the M6 the fact is that the ipod firmware is coded a lot better and simply works better. This is expected though considering the astronomical R&D budgets Apple have. Meizu have still done well considering how small a company they are. The truth is though when it comes to software engineering they cannot compete with one of the biggest and most powerful software and hardware manafactueres in the world......and people should not expect them to be able to.

Originally Posted by sere83

The ipod touch is a very nice piece, the engineering on it is truly remarkable. There is no other mp3 player on the planet with a long battery life, large 3.5 inch screen, wireless and advanced touch technology in such a slim enclosure. I just wish you could get one that supported xvid and didn't require itunes. This will always be my problem with apple devices. Plus the fact that 1/4 of the planet probably own one as well. There is something I find quite irritating about having a device so many other people own......it would make me feel like another apple drone.

Also no matter what anyone says about the M6 the fact is that the ipod firmware is coded a lot better and simply works better. This is expected though considering the astronomical R&D budgets Apple have. Meizu have still done well considering how small a company they are. The truth is though when it comes to software engineering they cannot compete with one of the biggest and most powerful software and hardware manafactueres in the world......and people should not expect them to be able to.

You don't need itunes to use an ipod. There are plenty of open-source alternatives. :D

As for the second part, you're right about the budgets. Still, if you compare Meizu firmware with the firmware found in most generic DAPs, the difference is like night and day. Meizu have done a great job on the M6, i hope the M7 and M8 will live up to our expectations.

Originally Posted by Th3_uN1Qu3

You don't need itunes to use an ipod. There are plenty of open-source alternatives. :D

As for the second part, you're right about the budgets. Still, if you compare Meizu firmware with the firmware found in most generic DAPs, the difference is like night and day. Meizu have done a great job on the M6, i hope the M7 and M8 will live up to our expectations.

I can accept that iTouch is a wonderful machine... but if you pay US$ 450. for a device it have to be good... that's a fortune for a player of 8Gb that only play music allowed by Apple (I think is for MP3 and some other format) and only videos converted to Apple format (H.264 stuff).

The wonderful device will allow to get connected to the Net like a browser.

Enlighten me please... I have had one in my hands and really look nice... but that is all for this huge amount of money?

A beautiful black device with flipping that turns automatically

What else does this marvellous device?

FM radio for instance?
Ability to change its skin?
Can it play flash games?
Is good the connection to TV?

Does it fails a little to have the challenge of wait for the next firmware?

Finally and without any proudness how long it will get you bored?

Originally Posted by sere83

The ipod touch is a very nice piece, the engineering on it is truly remarkable. There is no other mp3 player on the planet with a long battery life, large 3.5 inch screen, wireless and advanced touch technology in such a slim enclosure. I just wish you could get one that supported xvid and didn't require itunes. This will always be my problem with apple devices. Plus the fact that 1/4 of the planet probably own one

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still done well considering how small a company they are. The truth is though when it comes to software engineering they cannot compete with one of the biggest and most powerful software and hardware manafactueres in the world......and people should not expect them to be able to.

Have you see or read of an Archos player?... or a Cowon Q5?

maybe it's not so full of impressive effects... but plays almost everything that you put in there

yes I know them well and they are good products but I was really focussing on how slim the Ipod touch is and how it is remarkable to fit that much technology into such a small unit. Both the Q5 and archos players are quite large units. The ipod touch is only 8mm thick which is amazing. I know of no other player with a 3.5 inch screen with so many features that is as slim. But like you say DaremoS they are very expensive and you are paying for the privelage.


Th3_uN1Qu3: I was a bit unclear, I meant that you cannot drag and drop files on to an ipod, you must use syncing software like itunes or an alternative.

Originally Posted by sere83

The ipod touch is a very nice piece, the engineering on it is truly remarkable. There is no other mp3 player on the planet with a long battery life, large 3.5 inch screen, wireless and advanced touch technology in such a slim enclosure. I just wish you could get one that supported xvid and didn't require itunes. This will always be my problem with apple devices. Plus the fact that 1/4 of the planet probably own one as well. There is something I find quite irritating about having a device so many other people own......it would make me feel like another apple drone.

Also no matter what anyone says about the M6 the fact is that the ipod firmware is coded a lot better and simply works better. This is expected though considering the astronomical R&D budgets Apple have. Meizu have still done well considering how small a company they are. The truth is though when it comes to software engineering they cannot compete with one of the biggest and most powerful software and hardware manafactueres in the world......and people should not expect them to be able to.

Hello... it's called an Archos.

Originally Posted by SteveMB93

Hello... it's called an Archos.

I second that. :D

I'm sorry guys but you are missing the point of what I was saying. I know machines like the archos 605 and the Cowon Q5 and A3 exist and are good machines but they are relatively large in comparison to an ipod touch. In the original post when I talked about remarkable engineering I was trying to focus on the the FORM FACTOR of the ipod touch and the fact that they fitted so much technology into such a SMALL SPACE. The ipod touch is only 8mm thick! that is unbelievably thin for any PMP. The archos 605 and the cowon Q5 do have a lot more codec support and other functions but purely in terms of size they are lot bigger and bulkier.

Fitting a 3.5 inch screen, long battery life, wifi and multitouch into something only 8mm IMO is a great feat of engineering. The Cowon Q5 and Archos 6065 are great as well but are not in apples league when it comes to space saving. I was not trying to compare archos and cowon in terms of functions with apple I was simplly referring to the size of the ipod touch.

Originally Posted by sere83

I'm sorry guys but you are missing the point of what I was saying. I know machines like the archos 605 and the Cowon Q5 and A3 exist and are good machines but they are relatively large in comparison to an ipod touch. In the original post I was trying to focus on the the form factor of the ipod touch and the fact that they fitted so much technology into such a small space. The ipod touch is only 8mm thick! that is unbelievably thin for any PMP.

Here are the characteristics of iPod touch (from Apple site):
Audio:
Audio formats supported: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4), Apple Lossless, AIFF, and WAV

Video:
H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

Photo support:
Syncs iPod-viewable photos in JPEG, BMP, GIF, TIFF, PSD (Mac only), and PNG formats

Input and output:
Dock connector
3.5-mm stereo headphone jack

Wi-Fi data:
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)

******* end of Apple characteristics ********

Browsing the net:
It has an awesome browser called Safari... and a dedicated access to play Youtube videos. Both with the help of a Qwerty keyboard or Multitouch screen, which allows select, rotate, zoom, flip over covers and much more.

Through the browsing can be accessed lots of games to play with.
An the most important feature... it can be accessed Apple Stores to buy all their stuff as all Apple products. Directly from the iPod touch!!!

Also iPod touch has the ability to put the device horizontal and vertical based on an accelerometer.

It doesn't have a FM radio. Well if FM radio broadcast wasn't free and paid to Apple surely all their devices would have a FM radio. Beside of that distract the user of buy their music.

In other words iPod touch is an highly technological, expensive and awesome portable browser with a plus of play few music and video formats which display in a really spectacular way images (videos and photos).

I just hope that M7 will be more focused in MP4 features, specially sound quality... I'm an old fashioned guy who browse the net only as an complement to my music and sometimes my devices and videos, in this my PC is unbeatable.

I'm very sensitive to what is related with prices and I'm not easily affected with unnecessary spectaculars bells and whistles.

That's why I'll never have an iPod touch.

You are pushing the price a bit too high guys, it's 299$ for the 8Gb Version, about 202€. I got one for Christmas and it's really amazing even better than the Cowon D2. And what was the latest price announcment for the M8? About 500$ or even more. Additionally Europeans wont be able to use its phone features if it gets any of them...

So think about it. In my opinion the M8 has no chance against the iPod Touch, sad but true.

Originally Posted by Pascallo92

You are pushing the price a bit too high guys, it's 299$ for the 8Gb Version, about 202€. I got one for Christmas and it's really amazing even better than the Cowon D2. And what was the latest price announcment for the M8? About 500$ or even more. Additionally Europeans wont be able to use its phone features if it gets any of them...

So think about it. In my opinion the M8 has no chance against the iPod Touch, sad but true.

the price was never around 500$. it's around 300$...