hosenose

thanks i saw this several days ago but it still doesn't answer the navigating question for going bottom to top of a list with a double click.

thanks again for the help

laxx

Seems like scrolling would just take way too long. =[

Job

yeah its a big drawback of the D2 for me... I liek to scrol fast and easily through my files... the D2 isnt really suitable for that due to the touchscreen...i prefer a dedicated button for controls like the Meizus

FirePower

Anything But Ipod review including video of user interface.

http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archi...eview.php#more

hosenose

no...i'm not a middle aged female who cant make up her mind!!!!!!

several weeks ago i said the d-2 was a piece of junk with bad navigation no mtp support and so on. i sent my first unit back after 2 days because i thought the glaring problems would not be solved since cowon was never mainstream with their products .

i was wrong i have repurchased a d-2 (newegg 4gb for $195 delivered) and this unit with the 2.4 software is as mainstream as "apple pie" its now window certified "plays for sure" my windows gernerated playlists all work-my album art all works- navigation up and down the lists is as fast as the m-6 and you can go top to bottom or a list. this is very important since i have 1800 songs on my unit with 500 artists. the sd card feature also works seamlessly it incorporates the music into your lists so you do not have to switch between internal and external storage.....

i still like my m-6 and have ordered the 8gb but the d-2 is a very good unit and has many features.

i know that many of you "die Hard" users would never be caught using "mtp" and windows but for cowon to stay in business it must attract a larger audience. they need to allow all types of users to embrace their product.

i think they have done an excellent job just as meizu has..

hawk

Would have been my choice anytime if it was available when I bought the M6, owned a iaudio u2 1GB before and the sound quality was awesome!!!

Blackstar

Indeed. The D2 makes for a very lucrative choice. Unmatched sound quality with a very intuitive and cool interface.

aps

The thing that i didnt like about the Cowon D2 was their touchscreen. It wasnt quite what i expected and gave me fustration because almost everytime i had to click on the device 2-3 times. For example, first to activate the touchscreen by first tap (if it hasnt already been active) then select a feature, menu or interface button, and then another to commit to it.

The other thing was the inner menu system with each core feature (Music, Video, FM Radio, etc) that the selection was too much to choose from and goes into further options, etc. For example the EQ settings is less than the meizu but changing the settings wasnt straight forward.

Other than that the Cowon seems like a top notch DAP. For the size its light. It produces fantastic sound. Expandable memory but based on firmware. And many more as described earlier.

There are good and bad things about each player, you just have to see which one suits you best. For example, for me i just need music, and would be nice to have few extra features and hence the reason why i love my Meizu Music Card.

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sere83

the d2 imo is a superior player than the m6. You can actually operate it blindly by assigning the two busttons at the top to any function you want. The m6 has firmware issues that affect to the core functions of the player (e.g mp3 and OGG playback issues) problems with the cowon are mainly to due additional functions. It is to release very soon with 8gb capacity which is expandable to 16gb with an 8gb sdhc card. Video is also at 30fps compared to the m6's 20fps. However the inteface is without a doubt a little more complex and it is also alot more expensive. It is also now available in europe with DAB digital radio and korea with DMB. If money was not an issue I would buy a D2 however I prefer the hardware design of the m6 as it is trimmer. On the other hand if meizu ever did a decent firmware update (fixed the track skipping issue), which unfortunatly is looking more and more unlikely i would still like to invest in an M3. If not I will consider the samsung P2. This looks simply amazing

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/s...ith-bluetooth/

hosenose

at first i was very impressed with meizu...i have 3 units and now i'm selling them off.

i cant believe they can not offer a simply way to support windows playlists in mtp mode. if they would offer "genre" support i could make do....but they haven't done this either.

their is not a mainsteam unit sold in the usa which doesnt offer "genre" searches.

i have sent many emails directly to the company and to mr wong but it seems they are more focused on new hardware than good software.

DaremoS

First of all I offer you US$ 70 for each of your 3 Meizu player only if you really have 3 Meizu players!!!... what about US$ 210.- for the whole package

I will manage to make them work appropriately to generate playlist using USB MTP... that's a breeze for me because I've found the correct way to make Meizu players works fine in such mode.

Happily the famous "genre" that you say is not a problem for me because such search have no importance for me... I just select what I have to listen by name of the Artist and his Albums... I know pretty well what "genre" they play because I don't listen unknown Artist for me.

Concerning what you mention in "a mainsteam (sic) unit sold in the usa" let me tell you that surely all USA players have such capabilities (this means Korean and Japanese too) but unfortunately with a sound that is far of be HiFi... just plain sound. Indeed when a person enjoy music as I did, good sound worth lots more than the functionalities you said.

That's why I love my Meizu M3 and all my Chinese players.

PS.: This week I will buy my second USA player (Koreans) first was iRiver X20 which I give as a gift due to its plain sound, now it will be an iAudio D2... due to all its functionalities... I have been told that also sports a good sound... I'll see!...

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4ki

I'm starting to read a bunch of whiners at head-fi stating that the sound's "too neutral", whatever that means. I feel that a player SHOULD be this way so that it doesn't interfere with the original song-file's settings; particularly since I encode certain EQ levels for my music genres.

But for as long as Mr. Wong's busy chasing foxy-looking apple-phones, the music players will never be worth any price in my eyes. It's like buying a Ferrari at half-price with the wrong braking system built-in. Sure it looks cool, but at the end of the road, it's stutter, slide, crash

DaremoS

Indeed you have a D2 Blackstar?... I do have one too and I will not agree with you in both concepts:

Unmatched sound quality <---- this is not true!!!. Sound of Meizu players are as good as Iaudio D2... both excellent!!! listening to them plain and without any effect.
But... about sound quality... all the time this is more a desire or a feeling than a truth... I've made test over Teclast C260 / Onda VX858 / Meizu M3 / generic Actions ATJ-2135 / iAudio D2... and in the event to listen in them my favourite music (I use all my players!)... none shown a significant difference that cannot be corrected with few strokes in its sound effect or EQ.

a very intuitive and cool interface. I will agree with you in that of cool interface. Indeed iAudio D2 sports a beautiful interface with plenty of information, easily skinnable. Is more cute than M6 interface (I do had one).
But intuitive???... come on Blackstar, it's not intuitive in any way!.
I defy you to make a simple task like it is to play an entire artist of 3 albums. ie to play "The Beatles" all his album stored in the player: "Abbey Road" "Revolver" and "Rubber Soul"... how you would do this?
In Meizu is as simple as to select Music, Artist, The Beatles and play.... that's simple
How would you do this in your Cowon D2?
A secret between you and me: I post this question in IAudiophile.net and believe me... was not an easy task. Is that intuitive?

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TechyguyDR

I'm stuck between buying a D2 (I saw the 2gig at $140) and a M6 (4gig at $100). I'm having a hard time choosing because both seem to be great products. I'm really looking to use either of these mostly for watching videos (I already have a 1st gen iPod nano with most of my music collection in it). Is the D2 worth buying at $40 more and half the gigs of the M6?

madman

If video is primary focus the D2 offers a few more +'s - 2.5inch screen, much larger color palet, up to 30fps, longer play time per charge. You can also expand the memory later with an SDHC memory card. Has a few more features than the M6 and a few less bugs.

TechyguyDR

Alright, thanks. I really like both. The D2 is kinda my top choice right now.

DaremoS

There is US$ 40 basically... indeed is above US$ 60 difference counting price and memory.

As machine D2 is more than M6, to display in screen 16.000K instead of 260k colours makes a difference, D2 can be connected to a TV, has line-in, has a slot for SDHC cards. Touch screen really works. Screen is slightly bigger than M6: 2.5" vs 2.4".

Concerning software D2 is a mature machine, while M6 is in-development, in green so to say. Managing of ID3 is properly developed while in M6 isn't completed yet.
Skinnability in both machines is excellent, but interface of D2 is cuter.
Formats supported by both machines are almost the same, but with a trick D2 manages AAC, while M6 manages WMA lossless.
In video are pretty much the same, with a slight advantage for D2: conversion is easier, M6 requires to turn image.

On operation M6 have certain advantage as is easier to deal with music catalogue, when you get to maintain it properly. D2 is a bit cumbersome, but bring more options as it is genre and year. D2 have some lack showing information of music while M6 shows a screen with this data.

Sound if both machines are awesome with IMHO a certain difference in favour of M6, but nothing that a good EQ can't fix.
FM reception of D2 is simply the best I've heard in an MP4.

In general, both are good players, very similar, but D2 justify plainly the above US$ 60 of difference.

TechyguyDR

Thanks for the advice. Video conversion is certainly something of a concern for me. As long as it's reliable I'm happy (because I purchased a SanDisk Sansa e250 and the conversion software was simple to use, but very buggy). I know the D2 is easier and it seems to have less problems with the conversion of videos. I was just wondering how it was with the M6, I know that it's a bit more complicated on the M6. The 30 fps that the D2 is also quite attractive. I guess if my iPod ever broke down the M6 would probably be a very nice choice, but given that I'm really just looking for video the D2 is really the ideal choice. Well thanks again guys, I really appreciate the help

Blackstar

1. I'm not sure which meizu device you are referring to, but as far as the M6 TP is concerned, the sound quality is inferior to the D2. The sound is colourised and as such is slightly less detailed and accurate. On top of that the M6 has a higher noisefloor.

2. Your thread: http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18092
And the answer to it is in post number 2. Now since its playing 3 Albums, I think its fair that it sorts it alphabetically rather than playing album 1, track 1.... album 2 track 2 etc etc. If you wanted to play by album, you can just select in the menu to play that particular album.

So I'm not sure why you think the menu is not intuitive, items are clearly laid out and straightforward to access. You are referring to something that is a "feature" lacking from the D2 not something that is a detriment to the "intuitiveness" of the GUI.

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