A small M8 education for those losing faith.

SteveMB93

Can you please post a link to the news of the $199 iPhone? Thanks

dontripmeoff

AT&T to cut the price of Apple’s new iPhone - Fortune Magazine


By Scott Moritz, writer
AT&T (Webserver Technotop Internetdiensten) is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple (Webserver Technotop Internetdiensten) iPhone.
When the 3G iPhone is introduced this summer, AT&T, the exclusive U.S. iPhone sales partner with Apple, will cut the price by as much as $200, according to a person familiar with the strategy.
AT&T is preparing to subsidize $200 of the cost of a new iPhone, bringing the price down to $199 for customers who sign two-year contracts, the source says. Apple is expected to have two versions of the new iPhone, an 8-gigabyte-memory and a 16-gigabyte-memory model with price tags widely expected to be $399 and $499.


This is just one post - Do a G/S you will find numerous details. Some say maybe but most have already confirmed this info.

Rumors:
If any of the recent rumors of the 3G iPhone are even fractionally true, then the iPhone 2.0 is going to be an even hotter potato then existing model. In addition to GPS and Video Conferencing via a second camera on the front of the iPhone, LeMatin.ch report the addition of Mobile TV. It is also rumored to come in three colors and encompass a larger screen than the original.

sere83

I really doubt it will have a bigger screen as many people feel the iphone is too large already. And as for iphone deals, in the US you can get a cheap iphone deal so what? If you want a contract go for it and you can be like millions and millions of other people who have signed up for an expenisive contract and bought an iphone.

What i don't understand is why people come on a forum for Meizu fans and say stuff like

'well the iphone 3G will be a much better phone cos its got 3G plus I can get it on a shitty american network for les than the M8, I waited for the M8 but it took too long and will be out of date when it is released.The iphone sales will kill the M8 sales'

Acting like Meizu is at a loss because they won't be getting your custom and almost willing the M8 to fail. The iphone isn't even released in China, American iphone contracts are of little or no importance at all to Meizu. A few people on a western forum looking to purchase an iphone are also completely insignificant to Meizu. Why not just buy an iphone and go onto an iphone forum to discuss all it's great features and how you got a fantastic 18 month contract.

Off course iphone sales will obliterate the M8 in Europe, the US, and any other country where it is available probably, a 5 year old could have figured this out. As I keep mentioning the M8 is a made for the CHINESE MARKET. What has sales figures got to do with anything anyway? I would prefer to own a phone that half the planet doesn't have anyway.

The fact remains that when the 3G Iphone is released it will be very expensive OFFLINE. From now on i'm not even going to bother speaking about online prices for the iphone in a specific country because they are irrelevent and comparing any online iphone price to the offline M8 is stupid, unfair and pointless.

Not to mention the fact that this is all speculation anyway. No one know how much the 3G iphone will cost on or offline and no one knows the exact official prices for the M8.

dontripmeoff

OK, Without contract the I-Phone will be the same $399 or $499 US.

Will the M8 be less expensive? Possibly as we have yet to see it and who knows what people will actually sell it for when it does come out. Just because a phone is listed as suggested price ￥2390/￥2990 ($332/$415 8gb -16gb) does not mean dealers will not jack the rates up.
Look online at the groups claiming to already have for sale the M8. Their price is almost a $1000 U.S.
Who is to say in China if it is received as we all hope it is won't retail out for ￥3390/￥4190 as we all know dealers love profits. Look at the I-Phone in China and the excessive overpricing done now.
You are right the I-Phone does not sell legitimately in China as they are a Thief State. China does not and never has believed in intellectual property rights. Will the I-phone some day be sold there legally "Yes" after it has been released and re-released everywhere else first.
Will the M8 kick butt in China? YES as it should if it comes loaded with what we all keep hearing about. I really want to get an M8 but again we are talking about time frames for release, how much it will cost, what it will be loaded with, and what service it will work with.
Yes I am only speaking from a western standpoint and China outnumbers the west by a large margin but again price per phone will be very similar.
Your M8 may sell for $332 in China where as the I-Phone in the U.S. may sell for $399 without contract. So the 8gb version of phone is $60 cheaper but what will people buy? Known or relatively Unknown?
I have 2 M6 players and love them. I like Meizu but again when will this release and what will it have on it 3g or no 3g because that IS a huge question.
So do we wait till Aug/Sept and see what Meizu offers? From a western standpoint why should I wait when again I can afford to spend $200 on an I-Phone 2.0 and wait to see later what Meizu offers. I could care less as I can turn the I-Phone around and resell it and probably make a profit if I like the M8 better. So I really have nothing to lose by buying now.
I will still be here waiting with all of you but the difference is I won't be doing it without having a new gadget to wait with.

DusL

I guess sere83 is right, there doesn't seem to be room for a critic on the Meizu fanforum here. But it would be just the same on whatever other fanforum.
I'm going to explain the current situation in simple facts for all people that are interested in the m8.

The m8 is a phone set to be released in August after being delayed for a while, this due to underestimations and complexity. It's specs were remarkable when first heard of in January of last year, but this is starting to fade away as time passes (3G, GPS). Also, so it seems, it's target audience is mainly China and most of us is simply not part of that. It's major attraction however lies within the simple bang-for-buck principle.

The entire point however is the fact that smartphones are mostly only affordable in combination with a contract on a provider. Any price comparisons between m8 <-> other smartphone are useless anyway, as you will have obviously spent more money on a financed smartphone + contract than just a unfinanced smartphone. Which situation is better for you depends on personal situation, if you need a contract anyway to make use of things like 2.5/3G the first option is better for you. Second option would be in combination with prepaid calling, or an "cheaper" contract.

Going on to quality, this turns out to be a very easy point. You have faith in Meizu, or you don't. It runs a custom WinCE, which means quality and stability cannot be compared to another device at this time. One can look up the past with the m6, and enter the great debate of the m6 being filled with unresolved bugs/problems or not. You have to decide for yourself whether you are okay with the way Meizu is planning it's products (including delays).

In conclusion, there is no factual answer whether you should buy the m8 or something else. Every point you make pro or con would be subjective/personal preference anyway. There is one objective reason though, which is that another smartphone is available now and the m8 is not. So I hope some can understand now that this babbeling is useless :D

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SteveMB93

Trust me, there isn't going to be a $199 iPhone anytime soon. If there is, it would probably be the refurbished ones that AT&T occasionally sells, with the very limited stock. I have said this before, I will say it again. The iPhone matched up with the M8, spec for spec, is far inferior. The 740x480, price, unlocked out of the box (don't have to void warranty), removable battery (don't give me that BS about you all of a sudden not needing a removable battery) are the major attractions of the M8 over the iPhone. The websites that have the M8 for $1000 are scams, and they are charging more because they think they can get more for a phone that isn't even out yet. I will be waiting for the M8. I won't settle on an inferior phone, unless the prices of the iPhone and M8 change.

sere83

I'm all for comparisions and discussion, after all thats what a forum is about. But when someone just comes on the forum and basically says

'i'm getting a 3G iphone on contract, it's gonna outsell the M8 and be cheaper'

their input is basically pointless as it helps no one and misinforms people with unsubstantiated information. Also if your gonna get an iphone why do you need to tell a bunch of people interested in getting M8? Everyone knows what an iphone does and can make a pretty good guess what the 3G iphone will do. Anyone could get one at any point, the reason we are intereted in the M8 is because it has different features and functions to an iphone and may be cheaper also.

I know loads of people with iphones but they don't go round posting on sony ericsson fan sites missinformed crap about how much better it is than some future sony ericsson handset that hasn't been made yet.

However if someone takes the time to know the facts about the M8 then make an informed comparison with another phone based on some realistic figures than that on the other hand may be of use to someone.

Of course any talk of the M8 is always going to be speculative as it does not exist. No one can actually criticise the M8 yet because it doesn't exist yet! But anyone who knows about phones can see that if the M8 releases on time at the suggested price with all the features and functions, and works well then it will be a damn good deal. This is obvioulsy why the M8 has created such interest.

darkado

iphone 2 (still a rumor) will cost more than 600$ offline.

DusL

Like I said before:

There is more to it than just specs, that makes or breaks a product. It's how the specs are being used. Just look at the Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (fair comparison, c'mon guys). Or the suckyness/instability of Glofiish phone products, which have specs that are alike with m8. Or the successfulness of the 1st-gen iPhone, with it's "mediocre" specs. Or just ignore this comparison. Needing a removable battery is just personal preference.

True....but for it to actually mean something the m8 really has to come out first. Comparisons aren't fair with a non-released product.

Yeah well, I think the Apple-Meizu connection might have something to do with some dude concluding that Meizu products look eerie alike with some other product from another company.

Sorry, this sentence sounds just wrong in multiple ways. Something that's a rumor [will] cost [insert high price]?. Or is the iPhone2 still a rumor?

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sere83

yeah comparisons are effectively pointless when products haven't been released yet for sure. Of course there was always going to be iphone/M8 comparisons due to their aesthetic similarites but when people don't know the facts and make misinformed comparisons it just serves no useful purpose and actually often misleads people.

I agree that there is definitely more to a product than just specs for sure, but as we said that is really all we have to go on at the moment.