Meizu Opens Flagship Store

Seriously, don't you have better things to do but complain, complain, and complain some more? This is just getting pointless.

Originally Posted by JkPwNsTeR

Seriously, don't you have better things to do but complain, complain, and complain some more? This is just getting pointless.

You are the one that has been complaining. All I see from that guy are opinions regarding Meizu and Apple. I think that Meizu's style in product design and store design are similar to Apple's... And there is nothing wrong with that... Nor is there anything wrong with pointing that out.

Frankly, I would like to get my hands on one of these M8s to see how nice it really is. The vids I have seen are sweet.

If they had a booth in Macworld 09 in the next few days, that would be hilarious... Especially with Apple pulling out.

Originally Posted by kitkat

You are the one that has been complaining. All I see from that guy are opinions regarding Meizu and Apple. I think that Meizu's style in product design and store design are similar to Apple's... And there is nothing wrong with that... Nor is there anything wrong with pointing that out.

Frankly, I would like to get my hands on one of these M8s to see how nice it really is. The vids I have seen are sweet.

If they had a booth in Macworld 09 in the next few days, that would be hilarious... Especially with Apple pulling out.

Apple isn't pulling out, they're just going to stop doing keynotes there after this year to concentrate on in-house ones, as they've proven to work just as good and be less costly.

Anyone who thinks literally copying design for the purpose of making money has issues. Legally when someone is copying someone else with the intent of making profit it's often considered to be okay, but the issue here is that Apple patents nearly everything it does and Meizu is violating thoses patents. It's one thing to copy style, it's another to ripoff an interface, and the list goes on.

Create your own fucking recipe for success instead of running on someone's else you morons.

Originally Posted by JkPwNsTeR

Well, Steve Job's mind police certainly did a great job. Happy brainwashing.
This is getting unreasonable. I find American cars unreliable compared to their Asian counterparts. Doesn't mean I should find all American companies bad.

Besides, this is a Meizu fansite. Don't you have better things to do, or is your self-esteem so low that you have nowhere else to go?

Wtf does this have to do with EVERY SINGLE CHINESE COMPANY copying EVERYONE ELSE?

Of course some are now starting to outsource design to Italians as a response to recent criticism, but that's a minority.

You find American cars to be unreliable because you don't support your opinion with factual data or surveys. I do support my claims with what my eyes can see and tell me, it's that Chinese design, be it cars or all the branches of wares are often copied on foreign designs. Which explains my lack of surprise in Meizu's doings.

I don't even understand how there can be fans of a Chinese copy of an American-designed and Chinese-assembled (partly manufactured as well) line of products. Well, of course, that's unless you're all Chinese and you've got the popular republic so far up your asses that you can't even tell what's a copy from the original.

Imitation might be considered flattery by some, but this is well beyond imitation.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

... Unfortunately some Chinese companies choose to copy western companies (and their products) instead of developing something new. This is not competition, nor is it innovation. Its just theft. I dont want to make any statements about the degree to which Meizu is doing this specfically. I am saying that its a very disturbing trend. The west innovates, China copies and then usually sells back to the west. This is wrong in so many ways. ...

It is true that many Chinese companies take inspiration from western innovation. However, you make it sound like a Chinese thing; which is quite naive. This is just a natural stage in China's development. As mentioned many times earlier, the Japanese did it in the '70s and the Koreans did it too. So it's not that the Chinese are genetically stupid and lack the 'innovation gene', even if you look at it historically the Chinese have brought the world many useful inventions and thoughts.

Sometime in the near future, Chinese companies will have to worry about their innovation being copied by companies from other emerging markets. In fact, we are already seeing the trend of modern Chinese innovation. Take telecommunications company Huawei for instance. In 30 years, they've almost registered the same amount of patents as the 100 year old Ericsson.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

... I would have more respect for Chinese companies if they took something that they saw and improved on it, but we almost never see that. The cost reductions that you see are always at the expense of the environment, breaking the rules of trade (fixed exchange rates, fixed labour rates) and not paying their working population a living wage (how many have retirement policies, medical aid and other benefits). ...

Many people see the Meizu M6 as an improvement over the Photo iPod, the M3 over iPod Nano G1, and the M8 over iPhone. The truth is that they are different in many ways and tend to different markets. The fact that the M6 uses a vastly better and more expensive audio decoder than the Photo iPod and that it manages to be much smaller with a larger and better screen are specific examples of how something is improved.

The part about labor costs is pretty much nonsense as western companies also manufacture in China, often with superior management and larger quantities which may lead to even lower costs than domestic companies.

So please, cut the immature analogies and get to the facts.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Apple isn't pulling out, they're just going to stop doing keynotes there after this year to concentrate on in-house ones, as they've proven to work just as good and be less costly.

Anyone who thinks literally copying design for the purpose of making money has issues. Legally when someone is copying someone else with the intent of making profit it's often considered to be okay, but the issue here is that Apple patents nearly everything it does and Meizu is violating thoses patents. It's one thing to copy style, it's another to ripoff an interface, and the list goes on.

Create your own fucking recipe for success instead of running on someone's else you morons.

Err0r says it right, and would be great if you had the guts to register and not being anonym.

Jeesh!
Some crazy people make competition sound like a bad thing.
Don't really see the problem with another phone being similar. Its called competition, It makes company's inspire to create better products, Why do we argue over something that for the end users like us will always be a better outcome.
No competition (like no M8) = Crappy products produced ripping off customers with old technology, Worse for us (not saying the iphone is crappy , I'm saying there would be nothing pushing company's to do better devices).
Competition (like the M8) = Price cuts , Better phones , Better deals , Better for us.

Don't bloody complain , even you little apple fan boys, If Apple wasn't being pushed by the rest of the market you would be on 5 year old technology with 2GB storage for $800.

Stop complaining and be happy with the competition , its good for you too.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The cloning is not so much about the touch screen, but the store design. The glass cube is almost identical to other apple stores launched internationally. To deny this similarity is really to ignore the facts. There are two stores that look like this ... 1. Apple, 2. Meizu.

Dude, the engadget picture of the Meizu cube store is a JOKE. Look at the pics on the first post of the actual Meizu store...it's obviously not a glass cube.

WTF! Go buy the Original iPhone Super-morons

Originally Posted by Unregistered

WTF! Go buy the Original iPhone Super-morons

WTF! Some of us already have one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

WTF! Go buy the Original iPhone Super-morons

why? when i can have this sweet cheapo copy that looks and works the same or better? ..
i don't want to pay hard earned cash for your fruit logo you call 'patent' man sorry .. :P

If I have money when it comes out in the UK ( or when import costs are low) I'm going to snag me one of these.

I mean why yes it does look a bit like an Iphone, I imagine anything with a huge ass screen on the front that is black would look quite like it!

Heh, I actually prefer the look the M8 I find the metal back on the iphone makes it look abit blocky and cheap. Its all down to personal preference trolls, if you have a problem with the M8 rather then taking digs at people who do like it flame meizu directly, they have an email address I'm sure.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

WTF! Go buy the Original iPhone Super-morons

why don't you register instead of just spamming the boards with useless information? Do you not think people have discussed the similarites between apple and meizu already about a million times? You are bringing nothing new or of particular use to the forum. The majority of people here either own meizu and enjoy products or have an interest in meizu and want to discuss their products as they have realised that Meizu products offer certain advantages over products from other companies like Apple particularly with regards to audio quality and format support. A large number of forum members already own or have used iphones and ipods too.

Why would you come onto a meizu fan site and start regurgetating boring old missinformed pro apple jargon and missinformed information about manufacturing in China? You are a typical example of someone who gets some kind of strange thrill out of trying to belittle peoples interests by trying to act superior despite the fact you knowledge is clearly severely lacking, which in reality just shows you to be naive, missinformed and an embarressment to yourself.

I know I would not go on an apple forum and start slating apple and bigging up meizu, it would be a serious waste of my time. Why not register and try and make a useful forum contribution? Because at the moment your'e comments are useless to anyone, you are wasting your time and taking up space on the board where someone with a useful contribution could be posting.

Originally Posted by JkPwNsTeR

So is your post.

Go complain about the LG Prada, Samsung Instinct, and the BlackBerry Bold while you're at it. There are loads of touchscreen phones out there. Doesn't mean they're copying Apple.

YOU'RE RIGHT!!! but nobody tell it on media. also HTC touch hd look like ipho... or not?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Unfortunately some Chinese companies choose to copy western companies (and their products) instead of developing something new. This is not competition, nor is it innovation. Its just theft. I dont want to make any statements about the degree to which Meizu is doing this specfically. I am saying that its a very disturbing trend. The west innovates, China copies and then usually sells back to the west. This is wrong in so many ways. I would have more respect for Chinese companies if they took something that they saw and improved on it, but we almost never see that.

''imitatio - aemulatio - creatio'' It's a well-known renaissance phrase; If you have nothing to start with, look at others and try to improve where necessary. It's the mere development of China, which is in its early stages.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The cost reductions that you see are always at the expense of the environment, breaking the rules of trade (fixed exchange rates, fixed labour rates) and not paying their working population a living wage (how many have retirement policies, medical aid and other benefits).

Lets thank China for opening their borders for western companies such as Apple, which deliberately exploit the local population's low wages to sell their products with maximum profit.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Oh and this is not an asian. There are many examples of Japanese companies who have continued to innovate and improve their products year on year for decades. In many cases they have led the way with respect to product design & features

I laugh at your blindness. Do you seriously think the Japanese came out of nowhere and created innovative products? The base of the excellent cars they design and produce today is the disturbing theft of American car development, which back then were shitty, and ironically, still shitty today, unlike their Japanese counterparts.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

WTF! Go buy the Original iPhone Super-morons

I refuse to buy a phone which seriously lacks at other things except for ''look at me being cool, stroking my multi-touch iPhone''.

Lets cut the bull. Apple didn't bring an original product to the market; they just utilised what was already in the market place; put in together and marketed it.
They used existing knowledge and improve upon that knowledge to come up with a phone that has many features already in the market place but were never packaged in way the Apple people have put the thing together which gave them the edge in the market place.

Meizu, HTC, RIM (Blackberry), Nokia etc are all doing the same...trying to improve upon existing knowledge through value adding offerings in their products.

Wow, this has become quite a lively thread, even if disturbingly flamed and off-topic. The funny thing is that there are even some unregistered guests coming here to defend Meizu products.

Seriously though, even if Meizu products often get some design inspiration from Apple, that's not really the case with this shop. And even if a bit small, it does look pretty neat!

Originally Posted by =tf=

' Lets thank China for opening their borders for western companies such as Apple, which deliberately exploit the local population's low wages to sell their products with maximum profit.

Actually, they go through a Taiwanese contractor who owns the factories and plays the wages. So if you think about it, its almost like the people with apple are 'exploiting' the Chinese who are exploiting the other Chinese. I highly doubt Meizu is any different except they cut out the middle man. I think the only company who operates in China and doesn't enjoy reduced costs would have to be American Apparel if only because they pay their salespeople the same wages they would receive in the US.

Exploiting the population of rising powers has always happened. At least its better than enslaving them like the Romans did, so spare us your high and mighty speech.

Iphone sucks bawls.

The M8 is really cool but with the stage the company at right now, you can't call it competition
And you have to be in denial about every design being just like apple
Sure there are other touch screen phones, but none of them come closer (an look it) than the M8
I'm not condemning Meizu, and I don't mind what they are doing because I was also looking into buying one because they are cheap.
But I was buying one because it was so similar to an apple product.