New Pictures of the Meizu M8 / miniOne

So by your logic, if Skoda take a BMW 325i change the engine, brakes and badge it's ok ??

Do you not work for a living?

Ever heard of intellectual rights?

Originally Posted by fraxos

Beatmore,

in fact it is the other way around. Meizu is planning on including far more features than the iPhone will have at a lower price and with, possibly, much better results. I am all for that!

Nope, I am in the right one and here I stay unless Bush wants to oust me for having a difference of opinion that is...:P

Originally Posted by citizenklaw

You're definetly in the wrong forum.

American Intellectual Rights don't really hold much power abroad. Remember Luxpro?

Anyway, it is always good to see some opposing views.

Originally Posted by Xerxes

Erm yes, they are called Apple and they are trying to bring a unique product out into the market.

Uhm, it's a cell phone with a couple of added features. What's so unique about that? All phone manufacturers are constantly exploring new gadgets to add to their products, throwing away what the consumers don't like and continuing with what they do. Music playing capabilities, photo and video cameras, different user interfaces, whatever.

You say that Apple is different because they pay for the ideas and names that they 'borrowed' from others, but I have already seen mention of a couple of cases where they only payed after they where sued. Don't pretend as if Apple is playing along some higher moral and ethical standards. They are just another company that does everything they can to maximise their profits in any way they can. They don't base their decision making process on what is lawful and what's not, they base it on calculations of the potential pay-off versus the cost of litigating.

Originally Posted by Xerxes

Erm yes, they are called Apple and they are trying to bring a unique product out into the market. But it would be nice if people didn't blatantly rip them off.

Xerxes, I know you support Apple, but I do not think that even you are so delusional as to suggest that the iPhone is a unique product. To start with there have been touchscreen phones for many years before (Neonode N1), and so have been phones with integrated hard drive (Sony Ericsson M600), some even with hd and camera (Samsung i300x, Nokia N91). Furthermore, the whole touchscreen technology employed is hardly their idea, as mentioned before. So taking a Nokia 91 with 4Gb and a 2Mp camera, throwing in the touchscreen and video playback capabilities of the M600, adding a few more features and repackaging in a silvery-white outfit, which admittedly looks good, is hardly creating a unique product, is it now?

And what about the prices? $499 with a fixed 2-year contract and a line rental of at least $30 a month on top? This is the real rip-off!

Meizu are trying to bring out a much better product, with real features, such as video calling and Wi-Fi, at a price which is closer to $450 sim-free. To me that is a real bargain!

I hope that i will have flash for camera, because phone cameras withouth flash are useless.

Erik, it might be a cell phone as a car is a car but you buy a different brand car because of it's technology, looks, style etc...same with a phone. If a company came along and identically copied a Motorola RAZR but added a 6 megapixel camera, better screen and whatever else it doesn't change the fact that they have stolen the original design.

Moozi knows Apple is onto a winner with this phone this why they have copied it's design.

Nothing Apple does, or any company for that matter, is that much different to each other. It is 'how' it is done.

An iPod is nothing new, is it? It's an mp3 player....but what makes it different is design, functionality and reliability.

Moozi has copied the iPhone identically and for anyone to buy it is handling stolen goods

It is theft whatever shade of grey you want to paint it.

I hope Moozi has a good legal team, Apple do not lie down with these things and they shouldn't.

Originally Posted by eriktous

Uhm, it's a cell phone with a couple of added features. What's so unique about that? .

Fraxos, you're clutching at straws now.

Why does a Rolls Royce cost more than a Ford?

Why buy a luxury house when we can all live in a mud hut?

it is called 'development' and one company is leading whilst others follow. Get used to the dust.

As a consumer i don't care about brand, advertsment, development, etc. i only care about if it can do waht i want it to do and no cellphone/pda/handheld/whatever you call it can do what i wan't wrom from it.

Q: Why does Meizu players cost more than the average Chinese players?
A: Because Meizu uses more expensive, high quality components from Toshiba, Samsung and Phillips.

Q: Why does Apple players cost more than Meizu players?
A: Because Apple players use cheaper components, but spend lots on advertising and keep higher profit margins.

Originally Posted by Xerxes

Fraxos, you're clutching at straws now.

Why does a Rolls Royce cost more than a Ford?

Why buy a luxury house when we can all live in a mud hut?

it is called 'development' and one company is leading whilst others follow. Get used to the dust.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that Apple uses the best components or the best quality in terms of manufacturing. They use fairly average components and gues where they are assembled? Yes, that's right, in good old China. Everyone knows that while they look great they are not always the best, far from it. In fact the iPod provides one of the worst sonic experiences amongst the more established manufacturers of mp3 players. And do not tell me that it doesn't matter because frankly that is rubish. I, and everyone else who knows their music, buy an mp3 player for the sonic experience, not because it looks good. After all, the design may be fairly good but even this is not always the case, as many iPod and particularly iPod nano owners know themselves when they look at their mp3 players, which are by now full of scratches...

What Apple are brilliant at is marketing and kudos to them for making such a huge sucess out of otherwise mediocre products. As far as I am concerned the only Apple product that is superior to anything out there is their Mac OS. But then again, even that was borrowed, as it is in fact a development of Next OS, another company Jobs founded. Nonetheless it is brilliant.

Lastly, it seems that instead of listening to and contributing to constructive dialogue you seem absolute in trying to bash Meizu's products. Well, reality check for you. This is a Meizu forum and people want to learn about its products. No-one is forcing you to buy them, nor read or participate in this forum. Given that you are not really providing any help or have any genuine interest in this company, I really do not see the point of your continued bickering. If you are such a fanboy, perhaps I could suggest visiting Apple's forums?

Xerxes, I don't understand your point in being here.Yeah, we all got the fact that this new meizu product looks like the iPhone. So what? There are plenty of other phones like LG's that looks like it. We're still gonna buy the meizu product. Ipod users are still gonna buy the iPhone. I doubt you're going to bring anyone here on board with you to the apple ship.

Why don't you take your wheels and roll on out of here? Nobody here appreciates your presence.

Well Xerxes - what is the new features in the iphone? I can't name a feature I have not seen on a phone before, perhaps google maps and that rotating sensor, don't know a phone with those.
But are they new inventions, no, don't think they can patent them.

Originally Posted by fraxos

Q4 2007? I was hoping for an earlier release. I guess as they say:

"Good things come to those who wait"

I'd say this m8 is vaporware or by the time its out, there will be an IPhone II. A lot of these things come out, nice 3d design rendered gadgets but does not materialize. The new IPhone technology can not be copied just like that.
It took them years to develop these ya know but keep wishing.

Originally Posted by pixelfuser

I'd say this m8 is vaporware or by the time its out, there will be an IPhone II. A lot of these things come out, nice 3d design rendered gadgets but does not materialize. The new IPhone technology can not be copied just like that.
It took them years to develop these ya know but keep wishing.

ok, for the last time, the technology used in the iphone is not exactly revolutionary. it's just a matter of using them together in one product or improving upon existing technology for use in one's own products.

so what if the iphone 2 is already out by the time the m8 is officially released? not everyone is looking for the latest gadgets. of course, it's nice but not everyone is inclined to buy the newest and not everyone can afford the newest. it's always nice to have a large variety of products to choose from. more choices generally means lower prices. in this case, the consumers are the winners. and in the end, isn't that what we all want?

Xerxes, I've told you a couple of times you're in the wrong forum.

Moozi knows Apple is onto a winner with this phone this why they have copied it's design.

Moozi? Moozi?

Nothing Apple does, or any company for that matter, is that much different to each other. It is 'how' it is done

First intelligent thing you've said in this forum.

Moozi has copied the iPhone identically and for anyone to buy it is handling stolen goods

I'm waiting for Henry Ford to come back from the dead and sue everybody and his sister for 'stealing' the design of his assembly line. I'm also waiting for the Wright Brothers, John Pemberton, and all of those guys involved in inventing the various components that form part of modern television design to do the same.

While we're at it, let's see Apple fight two (or more) fronts. They have to face it: the competition is fierce, and they must innovate or die. This is as inevitable as trying to stop the sun from rising or setting.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/17/t...uely-familiar/

Alrighty you Moozi lot, here is my final say on this issue.

A car is always a car despite the brand. No car manufacter makes anything remarkably different on each model and all technology is taken to others eventually. But what makes each manufacturer different is design and quality of the product.

At the end of the day there are people like you and me working for Apple who have lives to live and bills to pay. If everytime BMW comes out with a new model Ford pops out with a carbon copy of the model before BMW release theirs, but call it different by changing the engine size and other things. This hurts the normal people as threatens the companies profits which puts jobs at risk.

We all want to get paid for what we do and if we always go for this 'cheaper, cheaper' mentallity then where does it end?

It ends with your employers taking your jobs to India or China becuase some cowboy company keeps ripping off design they pay you good money for. So they figure at least they lower their overheads and employ a native for a fraction of your cost in order to remain competitive...!!

What Apple charges is their right and etiher you buy or don't buy, that is your free choice. And likewise for Moozi.

But one reason I (personally) stand by Apple is that they make outstanding products and should anything go wrong with their goods (which it does) their service is outstanding. No, Apple is not perfect but is one of the few good companies out there who provide good service.

I want to get to paid for what I do and the price I charge. In order for me to do that, I have to pay other people as well.

Stand up for what is right, not what is cheaper.

Get out of this cheap, cheap mentality.

Moozi Me
Moozi You
Moozi Apple

PS: I will be visiting these forums much more....I like you guys/girls ;-)

You are here because you fear Meizu. Specifically, you fear the M8, because it might be better than the iPhone. After all, if Meizu was a horrible failure, or if the Meizu M8 didn’t have the enormous potential to demolish the iPhone, you wouldn’t be here, right?

The fact of the matter is, you are unwilling to truthfully consider the benefits of the M8. And that is because you are an Apple fanboy. Granted, many of the forum members here are Meizu fanboys—and to each their own. I’m here because of Meizu’s outstanding work on the Miniplayer M6. I trust Meizu because they sold me an amazing product—I’m much more concerned about its utility as opposed to the intangible intellectual property issues that surround it.

Federal courts in the US also constantly struggle over reconciling the “ongoing utilitarian concerns” with “the intellectual property laws” originating in our Constitution. Amongst many policy and legal concerns, judges frequently discuss the economic and utilitarian policy behind tech copying, particularly in light of the advantage to the consumer. This is not to say that courts are ignorant of the many disadvantages copying poses to producers. However, courts always give credence to utility concerns—it is always part of the calculus. It has been long recognized that the Arts and Sciences only progress through varying levels of copying. (copyrights and patents have defined time limits, after which the art and/or science contained therein become part of the public domain).

But let’s be a little more specific. Let’s say the M8 comes to market as it is currently described. And let’s say that to the objective third-party observer, the M8 simply out-performs and out-does the iPhone. My guess is that you’ll still go with the iPhone, for reasons that are driven not by the functionality, but by your devotion to Apple, and your philosophy that copying is absolutely wrong. Right?

Me personally—I’ll go with whichever product presents the better package. After all, I’m a consumer looking for the best product. I’m not a lawyer; I’m not an advocate of intellectual property rights; I’m not a representative or employee of Apple or Meizu. I just want a great product. If the M8 can offer me a great product, then I’ll take it. And if there are IP issues, I’ll let Meizu deal with it.

Anyway, look into purchasing a Meizu product. And keep this in mind: though I don’t know your personal buying habits, only a fool locks himself into a brand without a real evaluation of his alternatives.

Originally Posted by Xerxes

Alrighty you Moozi lot, here is my final say on this issue.

Stand up for what is right, not what is cheaper.

Get out of this cheap, cheap mentality.

Moozi Me
Moozi You
Moozi Apple

PS: I will be visiting these forums much more....I like you guys/girls ;-)

You are not helping Apple by doing this. In fact, I believe most real Apple fans would be ashamed to see what you are writing.

Anyways, I will stand up, go to the store, get home, and sit down with what is right. And I guess you know what that is.

Nice poem by the way.

Also, you are more than welcome to visit more often. As an result, Maybe one day you will own a Meizu player and have a more open mind.

although i know we all feel the need to defend meizu or our own opinions/thoughts, i'm surprised that people still respond to his posts. it's just that i've come to the conclusion that the best way to shut him up is to ignore him. :D but then that's just me.

in any case, i hope m8 turns out to be a spectacular product so that people would stop comparing it to the iphone.