Originally Posted by DaremoS
Come on ecsk2 are you from USA aren't you?...you don't show any flag
Please define "from", because in my case the following are all different countries (not to mention continents):
1. Born in?
2. Grown up in?
3. Lived the longest in?
4. Citizen of?
5. Native language speaker of?
6. Permanent resident holder of?
So yes for obvious reasons I'm not one to "show any flag".
Originally Posted by DaremoS
You know what I mean... there are moments for entertainment... there are moment for business... there are moments for research / investigation whatever... all this moments are different moments... do you agree in that?
iPhone tries to cover all those moments... as simple as that.
First of all NO I don't know what you mean as many of your statements don't make any sence gramatically, it is very easy in todays electronic world to use spell and grammar checking features, if your not understood then its very hard to comment.
Secondly, it appears you've not seen a single ad for the iPhone nor have done the "research / investigation" on this product prior to making these assumptious statements that it would be intended for business use aswell. The very first thing a business user of a pocketable device will want and need is corporate email support, this is someting the iPhone does NOT support, not to mention the lack of a real qwerty keyboard with tactile feel even IF it had corporate email support. Thats just one of the very obvious features, there are a number of others but as it appears you have no interest in the product anyhow I won't waste any more time on going into them.
Originally Posted by DaremoS
USA citizens was wrong... I should have said USA people devoured by merchandising / marketing... that goes beyond nations or genre or legal considerations.
Yes the agenda of the coporate world affects every single one of us living on this earth regardless who and where we are. How many years have you personally lived in the USA if I may ask? Yes there are major differences in mny places on the earth with both pros and cons in all of them, but witout first hand experiences your statements are merly assumptious as already pointed out.
Originally Posted by DaremoS
We are in a forum of MP3/MP4 players... products than normally goes up to US$ 150 more or less... this silly race started by Apple and followed by Meizu and somehow by Teclast, trying to put in the market products that cost twice that price... are called "expensive"... if we look to the initial price of US$ 600 when the race began we are talking of "very expensive" products.
This thread is actually about the M8, not MP3 players as such...so if you have no plam to spend $399 (current iPhone price) are you going to seriously consider the meizu at the same price (or more, since all price indicators for now indicate more than that), if not why waste your time on this in the first place, why not spend it on somting that might help to change your preception of what is overly expensive.
One can not label a product as expensive or not from an international standpoint based on local circumstances, now once again I ask you to point out what devices your comparing the iPhone to, sine its very obviously not just an MP3 player, hardly anyone in their right mind would go out and buy an MP3 player brand new today that only holds 8GB unless it has a very nice tiny size or and price, so are you comparing it to what Nokia? HTC (which BTW also makes the Palm Treos)? Or even name the OS, Symbian? WM?
The fact of the matter is ANY smartphone out there will cost you the same, now if you want to talk about smartphones tha are geared for business use look at the Nokia E90 which sis DOUBLE (..and then some) the price of the iPhone, and the whole Nokia communicator family (of which Ive owned all of them since the 91xx era).
BTW this very reply is being typed on one of these
www.oqo.com fits in my pocket and runs WinXP Pro (and Vista if I wanted to), now those are indeed tareted for business use, and compare the price level to the iPhone (even the old $599 price!)
Originally Posted by DaremoS
I took what you said about the target of the merchandising and you said that is not for business men... then if not business men... who can pay US$ 400 or more for a MP3/MP4 Player?
So I should assum the Playstation 3 is designed for business men ONLY? (..and no I'm not a gamer

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Originally Posted by DaremoS
To compare this "new wave of MP3/MP4 players" with a smartphone or PDA which are serious products for business purposes, is simply out of topic. No smartphone or PDA manufacturer will produce a expensive product not enough tested and proved... without the bugs that our loved players are showing. Relationship is inverse... they produce a fully tested product and then add some gift like it is a camera or a mp3 player.
Just about every smartphone out there can play MP3s now and many MP4 and hardly any are being released that don't add a number of multimedia features to them, pure mail and excel displaying phones are no longer made or sold for the most part. As already pointed out the iPhone isn't just a "new wave" of MP3/4 player it is in fact an extension of you computer and then some, you might want to look into all the 3rd party sw tha has been developed for it to run on it natively.
Having worked in a production plant producing tens of thousands of mobilephones (for two of the largest mobilephone brands) for a decade as a Product Quality Engineer, on both the production and aftermarket refurbishing center I can tell you you'd be suprised what hits the market even among the two largest and oldest mobilephone names out there! If you haven't worked in the field (as is obvious from your statement) what exactly are you basing your opinions on? Care to share with us what mobilephones/sartphones you've owned and used under prolonged times for say things like 500 or so emails daily? I'll be glad to share my experiences with the GSM phones I've used for the past 16-17 years, which GSM phone were you using 15 yrs ago?

(P.S. I did own and use mobilephone PRIOR to the dawn of GSM also since the late 80's when I also used emails over BBS'es)
Originally Posted by DaremoS
Sorry if I don't follow the disqualifications concerning the use of language... but we are here multinational people that express themselves as they want and can.
You didn't follow? If your comments are being readily coprehended then I'd say you might just have followed them
Actually how one expresses oneself on the web and on various forums is governed by other factors than what one "wants", but yes indeed there are forums in just about every language on the internet to the benefit of most native speakers. There are many forums out there that I wouldn't go out and express my opinionated statements just because I am not as fluent in those languages as I wouldwant to be, but I do read many of them regularly includig som with alphabets not native to me.