Doesn't the Palm Pre pretty much make the M8 irrelavent?

The whole point of the Minione M8 was to have an alternative to the iPhone that (at the time) was cheaper than the $600 price tag, and wasn't as restricted in software and hardware.

But the Palm Pre makes the iPhone looks ridiculous. It trumps it on user interface, has the utterly brilliant idea of offscreen gestures, includes a physical keyboard for picky folks, includes multitouch from iPhone, allows REAL multitasking with the Page Cards, Snenergy and Universal search, removable battery, wireless charger, microusb, open source app store like the G1 Android, I mean come on, even the iPhone is badly outclassed by this phone, you think the MInione M8 stands a chance, after all this time?

The market m8 is trying to sell will be different the market pre palm is selling. I'll give you this, pre palm is all about the software not hardware, Pre Palm with a reported 8GB of mass storage and no 3g, only hdspa or evdo, no expansion slot, is in disadvantage with the meizu m8 which have these features. It may be superior in its software interface, and may have a led flash for the 3.0 mega pixel camera but its 3.1-inch 24-bit color 480 x 320 display its less than the m8 3.4-inch 720x480 .

I'll personally will go to the meizu M8 or the nokia n97 when its out.

Meizu Specs are sweet, the only thing keeping it back a little is software wise, (Palm will have more developers thatS for sure) but with the ahead time of M8 and chinese development m8 can be more apealling, offer more appz for M8.

xirvin: for your information, hsdpa is 3.5G, and it can't be without 3G... it is on the same frequency, just faster transfer speeds. also Ev-DO is 3G over cdma networks. and to be honest, the M8 has neither of these (no 3G, nohsdpa, no ev-do). believe it or not, except for the screen size and resolution, that Pre is in almost every way superior to the M8.

Arta: imho the Pre is not a direct competitor t othe M8, because of the advanced multimedia. maybe it will play several formats, maybe it will be smooth, but it doesn't have a Wolfson chip, so the sound quality will surely be inferior. and since the screen resolution is "only" half-vga, so movies will either have to be converted to play, or the phone will have to convert them on the fly, which takes up valuable cpu time (and battery life). the M8 is a better multimedia phone, though it lacks some features that the Pre has.
and another thing is the price. the Pre (according to rumors) will cost the same with a 2 year contract at Sprint, as the M8 costs unlocked. also on top of that, since it will only be available with Sprint in the next ~half year, it means that only cdma networks are supported for now. and that means you can't use it in EU, only some parts of US, and maye China (but chinese cdma is pretty slow, especially for such an internet centered device).

The palm pre won't be out for another six months. Even then here in the US it'll be exclusive to sprint so most people won't be able to get it.

Let's be blunt: Meizu doesn't need your business. The M8 is, first and foremost, a phone for China. In matching subscriber numbers, you have to think of entire continents rather than individual countries.

The M8's main advantage was, is, and always will be, price...especially in those markets not overlorded by subsidizing carriers. It's secondary advantage is in its multimedia: it's still unrivaled as a total package of hardware and codec support.

It is true, on the other hand, that time is hurting Meizu. Of course, that would be true for any company paralyzed by regulations the way Meizu seems to be. With every new product announcement, it's only logical that someone, somewhere would suddenly find their new favorite toy and forget about the M8. Even in China, you will soon have two 800-pound gorillas releasing a very compelling new device: the "OPhone" from Lenovo & China Mobile.

Anyway, no point rehashing the same speculative arguments. Just have to wait for Jack & The Gang to get their network license, ramp up domestic production, and decide what the next move is going to be.

My advice for Meizu: forget about marketing the M8 overseas and let independent sales channels do all the work; instead, get that M7 out ASAP and capitalize on all the buzz from the Cowon S9, Samsung P3, Sony NWZ-1000, et al.

The previous posters already said it well.

The likely Meizu M8 will be less than half the price of the other phones. This, coupled with superior sound, great codec support and an awesome screen carves out a little niche for the M8.

Originally Posted by vinhm05

The palm pre won't be out for another six months. Even then here in the US it'll be exclusive to sprint so most people won't be able to get it.

We don't know when it will be out. It might be earlier. But for the same timeframe they announced a European 3G version.

Price is unknown, but since this is a flagship device for palm and Sprint it won't be cheap, somewhere around iPhone prices I suppose.

Superior sound quality from the M8? You do realize that exactly the same Wolfson chip was used in other smartphones already? It is by all means no special part, for all that we know the palm may use the same chip, or a better one (and there are better ones out there). Don't forget, this is the flagship device for palm, the one which decides over palm's fate. They will make sure it is good.

And the CPU in the pre, though old (announced in 2006?!), should be powerful enough for most decoding stuff. It is up to palm if they support more exotic codecs. But chances are that app developers can come up with other formats (at least I hope so... if they really only offer JavaScript for coding apps...).

Anyway, for me, the pre pretty much killed the M8. It is in almost any way (except for resolution, unfortunately) superior to the M8, from all that we know. Especially that awesome interface. I have lost my interest in the M8, it's so outdated (and yes, so is the iPhone and any other phone on the market). The pre is everything I could want from a phone, and then some. It exceeded what I hoped for.

The m8 will certainly be much cheaper than this device. The sad truth of the matter though is for the extra money you would pay for the palm pre you will get soo much more particularly in terms of connectivity.

Without Wifi the M8 in my mind has turned into a decent music player with a few phone functions, it is not a proper smart phone. I have also changed my mind about the screen res. 720x480 on the M8 is esentially pointless and will just suck battery. I bet the 480x320 on the Palm Pre looks just as sharp. To be honest the palm pre is the first phone to come out since the M8 which has genuinely interested me. I am not a fan of android, it has a very ugly, poorly designed uninspiring interface and obviously win mo is a bad joke. Symbian is again pretty boring. Palm really have stepped their game up and using an omap Cpu this will crush the M8 in terms of performance. I'm sure we will see a load of 3rd party apps too, providing all the codec support of the M8.

Obviousy Meizu doesn't care much about the foreign market but I still hope the included wifi...oneday. The palm pre is starting to look a lot more appealing though and with meizu not even releasing any Mp3/4 players and with the M8 now just a shadow of what it was originally intended to be, i'm starting to wonder what meizu really has to offer these days in terms of products that can compete in the current mp3/4 player and phone markets?

Tbh I do find it quite sad as I would still like to see Meizu bounce back but the M8 has in many ways become a thorn in their side as it now offers very little to the cell phone market now days apart from good media support which is in essence of secondary importance to most people looking to buy a new handset. In the mean time they have neglected their main market, mp3/4 players.

I like palm though, they have had some tough times too but the innovation was always there and they look like they are back on top with the Pre. In my mind there would have been no iphone without products like the palm pilots and their early smartphones. Great to see them back on form

Oh, xirvin: The M8 doesn't have an expansion slot.

@sere83: Hm... no. The resolution of the M8 is off the scale. It is really, really insanely sharp, much better than the iPhone. The pre has the same resolution as the iPhone, but a smaller screen. I still love the M8 screen, and I want a big high resolution screen to do my reading. But other than that, really... :-/ The M8 managed to replicate the iPhone, to be somewhat as good as the iPhone interface-wise. But then came the palm pre and made the iPhone look like something from yesteryear. And lets not forget Windows Mobile. MS seems somewhat confident, and I recall something like that a new version is coming or at least announced in February. WinMo 7, perhaps? And with all the modular stuff going on with Win7... I wouldn't be too surprised if WinMo7 will be based on Win7 and be pretty decent. The M8 is entering the market at the wrong time. Half a year earlier, and with more of the promised features... but now people see what's coming soon.

I think due to the low price it will still have some success, but I don't think it will be because it is a great phone that is state of the art, but because it is cheap.

kadajawi: wm7 will be based on the same core as the M8 (winCE6). and it will only come about early next year (yeah, you heard it, 2010!). this year they will only release an update, running by the name of wimo6.5, but so far i have not read anything being really new with it. and it is still based on the same old core, as wimo6.1.

besides the Pre, there is nothing on the market to wash away the M8 i think. at leat the test version (with wifi). android is still not there yet, and only available with carrier subsidy (and even with that only in US an UK). and remember that there will not be any new android phone in the next half year! Symbian is also a bit crummy compared to the M8 (there was a chinese test comparing the 5800 and the M8, and that made me sure i'll never wanna buy a Nokia, until they really show something).
and unfortunately Pre is a bit pricey for my wallet (and i'm guessing for a lot of other people out there too)

Can somebody please remind me (its been so long): Other than wifi, what other features has meizu nixed on the M8 since it was announced?

Also, i posted a question about the M8 battery on the accessories thread... if someone could confirm if it could be bought/matched with any third party battery on the market for other phones?

Thanks...

Originally Posted by kadajawi

Anyway, for me, the pre pretty much killed the M8. It is in almost any way (except for resolution, unfortunately) superior to the M8, from all that we know. Especially that awesome interface. I have lost my interest in the M8, it's so outdated (and yes, so is the iPhone and any other phone on the market). The pre is everything I could want from a phone, and then some. It exceeded what I hoped for.

those were my exact same thoughts lol the demo of the pre at Vegas and the engadget hands on made lose interest in the M8 i mean people come on theres nothing slicker out there plus with the M8 is losing specs n its now old news i was ready to buy one as soon as they were gonna be some ready for export but now i dont even care about it anymore but i will be paying some attention on it time to time. ok im going bk to my drollin on them demos of the pre again

anxiousone - GPS, a secondary camera, and FM radio are some of the things they have taken out. Supposedly, the next version of M8 should have all these things.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned size yet. The M8 triumphs the pre in this area, and even more so when the pre is slid-open. I think the pre is 5 millimeters (about the width of a pencil) thicker than the M8! I dunno..I just like thin/slick devices for some reason.

The pre does have stuff the M8 doesn't, like flash and a keyboard, but it's also bigger...and probably a LOT more expensive.

Originally Posted by <=~Rex.llvleizu~=>

The pre does have stuff the M8 doesn't, like flash and a keyboard, but it's also bigger...and probably a LOT more expensive.

which means u pay more for xtras

any way lets all watch the M8 whislt i wait to learn more about the Pre

But it also means you're paying more for a bigger device (physically). It also seems like the pre isn't that fast from the videos I've seen. In addition to this, another flaw I heard about is that the pre's accelerometer will shift the browser into landscape mode, but the keyboard is counter-intuitive to use in this position since it slides out from under the phone vertically and the phone will be in horizontal orientation.

i'm still going for the m8, im gonna buy a cheap phone, it'll help me wait for the m8 when it actually comes out (might be a while)

Originally Posted by <=~Rex.llvleizu~=>

But it also means you're paying more for a bigger device (physically). It also seems like the pre isn't that fast from the videos I've seen. In addition to this, another flaw I heard about is that the pre's accelerometer will shift the browser into landscape mode, but the keyboard is counter-intuitive to use in this position since it slides out from under the phone vertically and the phone will be in horizontal orientation.

when u say big u make it seems like its a brick which is not the case with the phone here but hey they might include an onscreen keyboard plus it is still a work in progress anyway i would buy it

Originally Posted by ILLEGALWARRIOR

when u say big u make it seems like its a brick which is not the case with the phone here

Yeah.. I didn't intend to "make it seem like its a brick".

Some people, like me, pay close attention to the size of a device so that extra 5 millimeters of thickness really matters.

I guess ... to each his own! Go for whatever you think is best for you.

Originally Posted by ILLEGALWARRIOR

any way lets all watch the M8 whislt i wait to learn more about the Pre

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