Chinese to English translation - in progress

I'm thinking our Chinese friends (or whoever) can post links or snippets of text they think is interesting here. With combined effort I'm sure we can do some pretty accurate translations.

I totally agree. I can also translate all videos that are in cantonese 100% Accurate.

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发表于 2008-12-18 15:57 只看该作者

JW:M8处理亮点的方式希望能进一步和论坛广大用户协商

技术科普：
亮点产生的原因... 看这篇：???? ???????????????_????_?????_???
简单讲就是要求一个屏幕上每个像素都是质量可靠的，
M8 720 X 480 分辩率 = 345600个点，
就像世界上没有太多真正纯净的东西一样，因为各种原因，要求所有都点合格率不太可能是100% ，
现在工业界流行的最高标准是 6个西格玛＝3.4失误/百万机会
但如果要求一个M8绝对没有亮点的合格率标准要求是<2.89e-6 2.89失误/百万机会。

而一个民用产品公司如果达到6个西格玛水平，已经需要付出很多了，很多公司都是把3西格玛当作 目标。
当然芯片产业有特殊性，普遍要达到6个西格玛水平，但这不表示达到6个西格玛水平不需要付出成 本。
再往上走也是有可能的，但付出的成本不是成倍增加，也是成千上万的增加。

除非军工标准，目前的技术条件，没有民用产品的大屏幕敢说自己的产品绝对没有亮点。

口说无凭，我们看看各公司是如何对待亮点问题的。引用:

原帖由 诺基亚 于 2008 发表 诺基亚 屏幕亮点 保修么?
出现了5个坏点才能换机

引用:

原帖由 索尼 于 2008 发表 半数PSP屏幕有亮点或坏点 索尼拒绝保修
　在PSP用户手册的第13页上写道“红，蓝，绿点（亮点）或者黑点（坏点）可能会出现LCD屏幕上的某些 位置。对于LCD屏幕来说，出现这些点的是正常 的，不是故障。LCD屏幕是以高精技术制造的。然而，每块屏幕都可能出现少量的坏点或者亮点。”手册上还警 告，在阳光下曝晒或者长时间显示同一幅图片，都 可能会对屏幕造成损坏。

引用:

原帖由 三星手机 于 2008 发表 我的三星手机屏幕有亮点，客服说符合标准，不给换机
规定要4个以上才算质量问题

引用:

原帖由 联想 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
规范是 亮点+暗点<=6

引用:

原帖由 方正 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
方正是严格按照国家规定执行

引用:

原帖由 HP 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
坏点在3个以内，且每平方英寸2个坏点以内属于正常

引用:

原帖由 DELL 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
戴尔对亮点的规定为8个之内都属于合格

引用:

原帖由 七喜 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
不超过3个亮点

引用:

原帖由 TCL 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
不超过5个亮点

引用:

原帖由 东芝 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
6个之内都属于合格产品

引用:

原帖由 IBM 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
8个亮点或是8个暗点之内，总共不超过9个，属于正常

引用:

原帖由 国家标准 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
亮点+暗点《=12 为合格产品

上述引用的链接完全可用，不相信自己再点进去看！


M8有亮点就退货的行为将大幅度提高销售成本，而且亮点是业界的一个普遍难题，把这么一个包袱揽过来抗不是 一个企业明智的做法！
顾客不能得罪，自己利润乃至行业的利润更不能得罪，不然就不要开公司了!


M8明智一点就应该明确说明，亮点在几个之内是正常水平，不得退货！


.引用:

原帖由 J.Wong 于 2008-12-18 16:12 发表
非常感谢理解,
m8的显示屏为了亮点问题而可能大幅度上升成本,
绝对无亮点太难了
我希望能进一步和论坛广大用户协商一个大家普遍都能接受的亮点标准.

Originally Posted by fr3d

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发表于 2008-12-18 15:57 只看该作者

JW:M8处理亮点的方式希望能进一步和论坛广大用户协商

He's saying that he wants to change the way of how the screen lights up, like the big companies. So basically better visability under the sun.

Originally Posted by fr3d

技术科普：
亮点产生的原因... 看这篇：???? ???????????????_????_?????_???
简单讲就是要求一个屏幕上每个像素都是质量可靠的，
M8 720 X 480 分辩率 = 345600个点，
就像世界上没有太多真正纯净的东西一样，因为各种原因，要求所有都点合格率不太可能是100% ，
现在工业界流行的最高标准是 6个西格玛＝3.4失误/百万机会
但如果要求一个M8绝对没有亮点的合格率标准要求是<2.89e-6 2.89失误/百万机会。

而一个民用产品公司如果达到6个西格玛水平，已经需要付出很多了，很多公司都是把3西格玛当作 目标。
当然芯片产业有特殊性，普遍要达到6个西格玛水平，但这不表示达到6个西格玛水平不需要付出成 本。
再往上走也是有可能的，但付出的成本不是成倍增加，也是成千上万的增加。

除非军工标准，目前的技术条件，没有民用产品的大屏幕敢说自己的产品绝对没有亮点。

Right here he talks about some kind of 6 something related to the screen(didn't know what this was in english), and he talks about how it's almost impossible to do that high unless they spend tens of thousands of dollars. He also talks about there's not really a need to use that high.

Originally Posted by fr3d

口说无凭，我们看看各公司是如何对待亮点问题的。引用:

原帖由 诺基亚 于 2008 发表 诺基亚 屏幕亮点 保修么?
出现了5个坏点才能换机

引用:

原帖由 索尼 于 2008 发表 半数PSP屏幕有亮点或坏点 索尼拒绝保修
　在PSP用户手册的第13页上写道“红，蓝，绿点（亮点）或者黑点（坏点）可能会出现LCD屏幕上的某些 位置。对于LCD屏幕来说，出现这些点的是正常 的，不是故障。LCD屏幕是以高精技术制造的。然而，每块屏幕都可能出现少量的坏点或者亮点。”手册上还警 告，在阳光下曝晒或者长时间显示同一幅图片，都 可能会对屏幕造成损坏。

引用:

原帖由 三星手机 于 2008 发表 我的三星手机屏幕有亮点，客服说符合标准，不给换机
规定要4个以上才算质量问题

引用:

原帖由 联想 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
规范是 亮点+暗点<=6

引用:

原帖由 方正 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
方正是严格按照国家规定执行

引用:

原帖由 HP 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
坏点在3个以内，且每平方英寸2个坏点以内属于正常

引用:

原帖由 DELL 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
戴尔对亮点的规定为8个之内都属于合格

引用:

原帖由 七喜 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
不超过3个亮点

引用:

原帖由 TCL 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
不超过5个亮点

引用:

原帖由 东芝 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
6个之内都属于合格产品

引用:

原帖由 IBM 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
8个亮点或是8个暗点之内，总共不超过9个，属于正常

引用:

原帖由 国家标准 于 2008 发表 厂商亮点承诺
亮点+暗点《=12 为合格产品

上述引用的链接完全可用，不相信自己再点进去看！

Here it just lists some examples from different companies and their screen thing to show us that M8 is really great right now...(something like that)

Originally Posted by fr3d

M8有亮点就退货的行为将大幅度提高销售成本，而且亮点是业界的一个普遍难题，把这么一个包袱揽过来抗不是 一个企业明智的做法！
顾客不能得罪，自己利润乃至行业的利润更不能得罪，不然就不要开公司了!


M8明智一点就应该明确说明，亮点在几个之内是正常水平，不得退货！

Here, it talks about how if the M8 was to have a high (screen thing), then they price of it would go up. Also, it talks about you can't refund the phone if it's about the (screen thing). Also he talks about how you can't make a customer mad, but if you really want the (screen thing), then go get another phone.

Originally Posted by fr3d

.引用:

原帖由 J.Wong 于 2008-12-18 16:12 发表
非常感谢理解,
m8的显示屏为了亮点问题而可能大幅度上升成本,
绝对无亮点太难了
我希望能进一步和论坛广大用户协商一个大家普遍都能接受的亮点标准.

He hopes that later on they will be able to get the (screen thing).


Srry for all the screen thing, cause i really don't know what it is in english. If someone could please clarify that for everyone, that would be great. Please tell me any errors that I have made.

Code:

JW: M8 way to deal with bright hopes for further consultations on a wide range of users and forums  

 Popular Science Technology:  
 Highlight the cause ... to see this :???? ???????????????_????_?????_???  
 Is simply a requirement for each pixel on the screen are reliable quality,  
 M8 720 X 480 resolution = 345,600,  
 Just like the real world, not too many things, like clean, due to various reasons, requires that all points are not likely to pass rate of 100% 
 Now the industry is the prevalence of the highest standards of 6 Sigma = 3.4 errors / opportunities for millions  
 However, if a request M8 is no bright spot of the passing rate standard is <2.89e-6 2.89 errors / opportunities for millions. 

 A civilian products if the company reached the level of 6 Sigma has been required to pay a lot, a lot of companies are targeted to Sigma 3. 
 Of course there are special chip industry in general to achieve 6 Sigma level, but it does not reach the level of 6 Sigma does not need to pay the cost. 
 The further away is possible, but the cost is not multiplied, but also tens of thousands of increase.  

 Unless the military industry standard, the current technical conditions, there is no civilian products, large-screen venture to say their product is no bright spot. 

 I say that with no, we take a look at the bright spot is how to deal with the problem. Quote:  

     The original note issued by the Nokia 2008, Nokia highlights the screen what the warranty?  
     There have been 5 Dead in order replacement  

 Quote:  

     The original note issued in 2008 by the Sony PSP half of the screen there are bright spots Dead or Sony refused to guarantee 
     In the PSP user manual on page 13, wrote "Red, Blue, Green Point (bright) or black spots (Dead) there may be some of the LCD screen on location. For the LCD screen, the point is that these Normal, not failure. LCD screen is high-precision manufacturing technology. However, each of the screen may appear a small amount of Dead or bright spots. "Manual also warned that the exposure under the sun for a long time or with a picture show, May cause damage to the screen. 

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     Samsung mobile phones from the original note issued in 2008 my Samsung phone screen are bright spots, said customer service standards, not to replacement 
     4 required to be more than the quality of  

 Quote:  

     The original note issued by the association in 2008 highlights commitment to manufacturers  
     + Specification is the bright spot in the dark at <= 6  

 Quote:  

     Founder of the original note by the manufacturers issued a bright spot in the 2008 commitments  
     Founder is strictly in accordance with national regulations  

 Quote:  

     Tie the original HP in 2008 issued by the manufacturer promises bright spot  
     3 Dead in less than every square inch and 2 within normal Dead  

 Quote:  

     The original note issued in 2008 by the DELL vendor promises bright spot  
     Dell bright spot on the provisions of 8 are eligible  

 Quote:  

     The original note issued in 2008 by seven manufacturers highlight promises  
     No more than 3 highlights  

 Quote:  

     The original note issued in 2008 by the manufacturer TCL bright promise  
     Not more than 5 highlights  

 Quote:  

     By the Toshiba Tie originally published in 2008 highlights commitment to manufacturers  
      6 of the products are qualified  

 Quote:  

     Tie the original IBM in 2008 issued by the manufacturer promises bright spot  
      8 bright spot in the dark or 8 points, a total of not more than 9, the normal  

 Quote:  

     The original note by the National Institute of Standards published in 2008 highlights commitment to manufacturers  
     + Bright spot in dark spots "for the qualified product = 12  

 To quote the above link can be used fully, do not believe that their point and then go in to see!  


 M8 a bright spot on the return of the act will substantially increase the cost of sales, but also a bright spot in the industry is generally difficult to get such a burden over anti-business is not a wise! 
 Not to offend customers, their profits and even the profits of the industry can not be offended, or not to open the company!  


 M8 wise that they should make it clear that in a few bright spots within the normal level, may not return!  


 . Quote:  

     The original note by J. Wong published in 2008-12-18 16:12  
     Very grateful to understand  
      m8 of the screen in order to highlight issues that may be a substantial increase in costs,  
     Absolutely not too bright spot in the  
     I look forward to further consultations and a forum for a wide range of users was generally acceptable standards of bright spots.

^^ That's a google translate. Didn't really understand what they said AFTER they translated lol. Just thought I would post that too.

I hope no one minds that I'm using the forum this way. Roughly, it's about pixel problems and how Meizu will deal with them and also what policies other companies have had in the past.

Great stuff jenyip! I'll edit the first post or maybe create a new thread. And the 亮点 is probably pixels.

Do you want me to repost my reply in your other thread?

I'll clean it up for us, thanks!

Who is the original poster though? Can you look that up?
From JW:M8?????????????????????? - ????? - [????]

Well, anything else you got I'll translate later, Going to have to go to sleep now, I think we should have one thread of random posts, then one with a proved and almost fully correct translation

Poster of this thread= 无边net. He's a vip in the meizu forums

Sounds great. Thank you for the help.

I think he's commenting on screen, and the fact that achieving a military grade defect rate(6 sigma) would raise the cost of production substantially. and that normal consumer products only shoot for 3 sigma.

I think he then goes on to compare the standards from other consumer electronic companies as well. Which I'm assuming helps prove his assertion that a 6 sigma grade isn't realistic or rather necessary to obtain.

errr...or something like that.

Yup, that's about it for the summary

[http://bbs.meizu.com/space.php?uid=2&show=myposts]
In this link you can find all the J.Wong's posts sorted by time.
So you can find useful informations and translate them.

Yeah. Thank's. I'll take a look at the post about exporting the M8.

???????!????M8?????5800-??M8?????5800:?????-??????Pconline-[????]

could someone translate it please? i cant get the meaning of google translations. M8 or 5800 is better in this review?

My take is that they think the hardware and software capabilities of the M8 crushes the competition, but there are still a lot of bugs and crashes. Nokia is more stable, but not as exciting.

don't wanna open a new thread for this one, i'm just posting some pieces of news/comments by JW:

[2008.12.20]
for the official product, they want to bypass the WAPI authentication, although this might be a bit troublesome. the policy has no rules for WAPI, so why not use it? if we can't get wlan/wapi through, the M8 might not enter the market at all.

then there's some user urging JW to go around the border, and sell the M8 abroad, then smuggle it back to the mainland. the answer for that is basicly "fuck shuihuo" (shuihuo for those who don't know the word, stuff smuggled in from overseas) otherwise if they import it legally, then the price would go up, which again is bad. so they want to stick to the legal ways for sure.

somebody saying they first have to build a monopily in the mainland, then they can apply for foreign test, which will take another while before entering the market. for this JW said the european test have already been passed (!!)

about the signal problems: some of it can be solved by fw updates, but this possibility is also limited. in the previous fw sometimes the M8 would display the signal strength to be zero, but it was still able to build up calls. if in the new firmware this should be solved, but probably just the display boundaries changed a bit by the engineers. they don't work on weekends, but i'll ask them about it on monday.

about ppl not being able to get one: sorry for that, but our work period is only 5 and half days a week, while retailers are open all around the clock.


[2008.12.21]
what i mean is that if the front glass cover gets damaged, it's free of charge (to repair). actually that touch sensitive glass is about 2-300rmb, but also count the cost of the aluminium alloy frame, which also has to be changed (100rmb). if other parts are broken too, like the LCD beneath, then we'll have to charge for changing that. because that means it was severely damaged. although it's not cheap, all the elements added togeather it should be above 600rmb.

if the surface is not dented, then it's just the problem of the surface, and that can be fixed. however if the surface is broken in, then material will come off, revealing the original color of the alloy, then there's nothing left to be done.

the M8 already got the standard IMEI

somebody asking about the new, harder glass to be used for the screen. JW replied that it's not a matter of cost, it's just a new material, and it will probably take about 5-6 month until those units hit the market.

but otherwise the current products also undergo the drop-testing, so the free of charge repair is only true for the broken glass surface, because later we'll get a new material to decrease the chance of such a problem. this way it's fair for the customers who buy it earlier. of course if the harder glass breaks, those repairs won't be free anymore.

somebody asking why the frame also has to be changed with the glass. reply is that because it's damn hard to get the glass off the alloy frame, remove the glue used previously for fixing them togeather, and then putting the new glass in with thermocompression.

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then there's a test continued from CNMO here: [link]
there's a comment on that by JW saying that for picking up an incoming call, you don't need to use your nose ( ), but pressing the M key also has the same effect. and from 0.8 fw upwards, pressing it longer ends the call.

yeah, i wrote a novel... excuse me, i was just bored...

Posts and replies on #3 generally talked about how to deal with the "dead pixel" in the LCD screen, not how the screen lights up.

Currently there isn't any standard from MEIZU to decided a screen with dead pixel is QC passed or not. J.Wong's previous opinion is that, if you find any dead pixel on your screen, send your M8 back to MEIZU and MEIZU will return you a new one. However soon J.Wong found this costed too much, so he decided to create a standard, and wanted to discuss it with fans on the official BBS.

Many fans and users supported J.Wong's decision. Firstly they calculated the typical number of dead pixels on M8's screen with the dead pixel rate 3.4dp/million. Then they provided infomation that how other manufacturors deal with the same problem.