J.wong latest reply on 10/8 .. alot info

Well, on second thought, I'm not too worried about Tv-Out and OTG. after all, I was already counting on waiting for the 3G version of the M8... and JW did say that they plan to release a 3000+rmb 3G version with all the features

IMO, despite all these missing features, the first version M8 will still have awesome specs compared to the rest of the market, and given it's price it will still have a great edge... this should be enough to ensure it's success in China. As long as they succeed there, the 3G version should come out without much trouble. We just need to wait a little more (if we really want those features).

Originally Posted by Traps

and given it's price it will still have a great edge... this should be enough to ensure its* success in China

Outside of China you mean. Most Chinese people can't afford such a phone, only the high class can. Most people in China own either a knockoff Chinese phone, a Chinese phone, or something relatively cheap.

I actually haven't seen anyone using an M6 while I was in China. When I took it to a shop to try out earbuds, the clerk was surprised that I had a Meizu. Meizu is cheap outside of China, not so much inside.

I think my wait for the M8 is over. I will probably buy a Nokia N96 - it has all the features I want (from the M8) - and much more!

Originally Posted by JkPwNsTeR

Outside of China you mean. Most Chinese people can't afford such a phone, only the high class can. Most people in China own either a knockoff Chinese phone, a Chinese phone, or something relatively cheap.

I actually haven't seen anyone using an M6 while I was in China. When I took it to a shop to try out earbuds, the clerk was surprised that I had a Meizu. Meizu is cheap outside of China, not so much inside.

Actually, I meant in China.. I think it will be hard for the first (non-3G) M8 version to have a big success in the rest of the world, considering the size of giants like Nokia, HTC and Samsung, the iPhone hype, and the prejudice we have towards Chinese products..

But I guess I had a misconception about how affordable the M8 would be for Chinese people. I must confess that I've never been to China, so my opinion is not very well informed on that.. but I think that despite the relative high price compared to more common local brands, the M8 will still be cheap when compared to western brands. And (at least in theory) the Chinese market is huge even for high class products, no?
IMO, if Meizu want to conquer the world, they must start with their own domestic market, just like Lenovo did.

no GPS, no USB-OTG, no TV-Out, no smooth playback in full resolution ... so it's basically a touchscreen running with an already developed operating system, which is just customized.
Why should I buy it? Everything, which would make the M6 special, is not included!

Well it is still an impressive device; 800MHz processor, 256Mb RAM, a good graphics chip and it is a phone. But it's just like I feared from the beginning, they string us along with good specs and low price then up the price on release..

All phones use an 'already developed' OS, so I am not sure what your complaint is about that. And the full screen resolution is only slow for rmvb or whatever it's called.

Originally Posted by Hendrik

no GPS, no USB-OTG, no TV-Out, no smooth playback in full resolution ... so it's basically a touchscreen running with an already developed operating system, which is just customized.
Why should I buy it? Everything, which would make the M6 special, is not included!

GPS was never a promised feature. It was only mentioned once, and only as an integration with an external device.. so I really don't get the complaints there. I understand it would be a nice to have, but why should it be necessary at all?

JW didn't say that there won't be smooth playback in full resolution.. quite the contrary, playback should be great for most video formats. The problem here is just a licensing issue with Real Media files: you need to pay extra for a special decoding software, otherwise you can't get smooth full-res RMVB. To lower the M8 base price, this will be optional and users will have to get it separately (maybe through the M8 app store?).

Now, Tv-Out and OTG are real missing stuff... but specs-wise the M8 still outperforms everything on the market, and those two features should see a comeback on the 3G version.
If I were you I'd wait a bit longer. Unless the first Tegra-based devices come out before the 3G M8, I see no interesting alternatives anyway.

Originally Posted by JkPwNsTeR

Outside of China you mean. Most Chinese people can't afford such a phone, only the high class can. Most people in China own either a knockoff Chinese phone, a Chinese phone, or something relatively cheap.

I actually haven't seen anyone using an M6 while I was in China. When I took it to a shop to try out earbuds, the clerk was surprised that I had a Meizu. Meizu is cheap outside of China, not so much inside.

Er.. no.. most people in China don't trust mainland brands so they go with foreign brands. Meizu is considered a B-class brand, as with most other Chinese brands. Anyone I know from China would use SE phones or Sharp. For some reason, they are willing to spend a lot on phones, even if they don't make a lot. The only Chinese company I think has any kind of weight is Lenovo; the only Chinese brand that people I know from the mainland would use is Lenovo. And I think I saw an Aigo camera once. Let's hope Meizu can change this perception.

Well, of course, the poor ones wouldn't be able to afford any of it, but the middle class in China with disposable income comparable to the west is bigger than you would think. I guess for a country with 1bn people, even 1% is 10MM which is already 1/3 of Canada's population, so it's not very surprising.

Originally Posted by Jubre

All phones use an 'already developed' OS, so I am not sure what your complaint is about that.

Ah, i wanted to say, that they spent too much time to release the M8. What did they do in the last years? A touchscreen, a camera, a common operating system ... nothing fancy anymore! They talked about DVB, GPS, TV-OUT, USB-OTG, 3G ... and now you get a very simple (smart)phone.

Well, acording to this:


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72...9022008355.jpg

And This


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72...9022008356.jpg

The Processoer That The M8 Has Can Handle USB-OTG 2.0 And TV-OUT.

Well, Maby The 3G ver will have them

Of course it can, problem is that the battery is too weak for it. Imagine a hard drive running from it, that would give something like 1.5 hour operating time.

They Will Add A Better battery to the 3G Ver?
And another thing, can i play mini games on the m8 with his cpu?

You should be able to play more than just mini games with the m8.

it might even have a ps1 emulator, but the problem will be the controls will be pretty hard since it only has a touchscreen, and no physical buttons

Originally Posted by roelandb

it might even have a ps1 emulator, but the problem will be the controls will be pretty hard since it only has a touchscreen, and no physical buttons

Well I Can See That In The Iphone They Manage To Do Somthing Nice With The touchscreen buttons.

How about GBA Games?

Er.. no.. most people in China don't trust mainland brands so they go with foreign brands. Meizu is considered a B-class brand, as with most other Chinese brands. Anyone I know from China would use SE phones or Sharp.

Sharp??

Actually, Nokia enjoys far and away the highest brand recognition in China, with Sony Ericsson a distant second. It's true though, that foreign manufacturers have relegated Chinese brands to second- or third-class status.

And actually, among MP4 makers, Meizu enjoys the highest brand recognition. They're definitely not a "B-class brand" for anyone shopping for a portable music player.

For some reason, they are willing to spend a lot on phones, even if they don't make a lot.

That's because in China, the mobile phone is the primary means of communication, both voice and text. It's also cultural: your extended web of family, friends, colleagues, business contacts, etc. etc. is an inextricable part of life and the mobile phone is the primary data bank.

Mobile phones in China also happen to be the most popular device for listening to music on the go and, as I've written before on one or two other threads, Jack Wong does deserve admiration for recognizing this fact and betting the future of Meizu on it.

I have no idea what Meizu's sales targets are (or, more interesting, their break even point) but I've kind of come full circle and am back to wondering -beyond Meizu's rabid fans- who is going to be buying the M8 in China? Will some of the 400,000-plus iPhone users switch or will they keep buying on the grey market or go for the official version likely coming next year? Will large numbers of Big 4 phone users go for a touchscreen-only phone? For Chinese users, text input via buttons is a skill so ingrained it's like using chopsticks or riding a bike. I've met several people, including Dopod (HTC) users, who weren't all that happy with an all touch interface. Will the music player on the M8 so blow away other media-centric phones in its price range that people will switch? And finally, just how big a market is there in China for high-res video on a phone? Will folks already using MP4 players and PSPs dump them and go for an all-in-one device?

I think the other battle Meizu will be waging is over distribution. In China, phones from the Big 4 are sold everywhere, as in Coke or McDonald's-type everywhere...well actually it would be KFC-type everywhere in China. Meizu must have an ace up their sleeve, because hawking 2500 RMB phones through their current piddly network of stalls staffed by teenagers inside computer malls just ain't gonna cut it...at least if Jack Wong still has a vision of changing the market landscape.

In the end, I think Meizu will be fine, but instead of making a huge splash in the market, I fear more and more that the M8 is going to land with a soft thud. Price and neutered features aren't really the deal killers; for me, it's come around again to simply losing the mojo as time drags on.

Forgot to add that I agree, price and market size in China are non-issues; more important is whether the M8 offers what people who have the money for one actually want from their phone and whether Meizu has built enough of a brand to take on companies that are household names. One wildcard: can Meizu capitalize on Chinese pride in domestic companies? I thought they lost a golden opportunity to bask in some of the halo effect from the Olympics.

Age Of Empires On M8 Plz

Originally Posted by raw

Age Of Empires On M8 Plz

I love that game. That would be cool if the M8 could play it.

You guys talking about games on the M8, how could that be possible? Is it strong enough for like PS1 and 2d/3d low graphics pc games?