Apple's iPhone SDK released

Originally Posted by gkai

IMHO apple did bring 5 new things compared to the closest pre-existing devices (touchscreen PDAphone/smartphones):

1) finger centric UI instead of stylus-centric...Well, as far as I know in the current iPhone, it is more "finger only" instead of "stylus centric":
Traditional touchscreens can be used with a stylus and (awkwardly) with fingers or basically anything (that do not have a point sharp enough to scratch you screen).
AFAIK iPhone screen can be used only with fingers or strange finger-emulating stylus (that defeat somewhat the stylus usefulness, as the iPhone ones are quite blunt and seems difficult to use for drawing or handwriting recognition). I like the new "finger only" concept introduced by Apple, but I would prefer a technology that would allow using both your fingers or a sharp stylus (with the hard iPhone like, not the traditional flexy touch screens). BTW, the much highlighted multitouch is imho quite secondary, a nice detail but one that I can easily live without...

2) more eyecandy in the UI.

3) large amount of internal flash, at the expense of an SD (or microSD) card slot.

4) Apple marketing (aka Steve Job's reality distortion field)

5) a more closed platform (initially fully closed, now partially open but still apple controlled: you will have to go to iTune to find Apps...or jailbreak your phone)

IMHO, only first point (finger centric UI) is really significant (and positive), but just not enough to call the device revolutionary. I like the eyecnady too, but this is normal evolution...
Regarding internal flash instead of SD slot, it's both good and bad: it is a lot of memory for a portable device, but nowadays, high-capacity SD card are quite cheap too, and you can carry many of them...
Point number four is just my tonge-in-cheak Apple anti-fanboyism ;-), I do not care about it so it is neither positive nor negative...
Point five is the big drawback of iPhone: Android seems the most open platform, but lack apps and has to prove it can gain marketshare. WinCE is more closed, but comes with a shitload of Apps (opensource/freeware/shareware/commercial) without central control.
iPhone is even more closed, has few apps, has proven it can gain user marketshare but still has to prove it can attract devellopers, and remain centrally controlled though iTune.
Personnaly I can live with that for an mp3 player (I have a nano), as there are iTune replacement that alow me to transfer my mp3 from linux.
For a PDAPhone wannabee (or even, killer), this is not acceptable, imho.
Probably the reason why I did not go for apple computers either: I am not ready to trade openness and apps for UI tweaks, good look, higher prices and coolness factor ;-p

I didn't say the iPhone didn't bring those other things, just can't be bothered thinking and typing so much to argue my point anymore. Oh and i don't think i mentioned multi touch.

Originally Posted by darkado

that's exactly where you're wrong, everything iphone has is already seen on some other phone, except osx which was useless before this sdk

If your gonna say shit back it up, show me some of these phones

NOT PDAs as the iPhone doesn't have the ugliness of a PDA phone, and the everyday user wouldn't use a PDA Phone, mainly just business people. The iPhone brings PDA features to a phone for the everyday person plus some great new features.

And BTW the internet on the iPhone is better than any other phone i can think of (accept it's wi-fi quality isn't the greatest). Touch screen internet browsing, a really good on screen keyboard which when you get used to you can type pretty fast on. Easy zooming in and out with multi-touch, easy scrolling. And a big screen so you can see the websites really well. And the third party Applications through jailbreaking add a lot of features to it, or if you use the SDK and buy some apps.

lol look at some mda phones, they are not ugly

Originally Posted by darkado

lol look at some mda phones, they are not ugly

Yes, and they all look like PDAs. PDAs are mainly for business men etc, the majority of people don't want PDAs. I have never even heard of MDA before you just mentioned it, why? Because i don't want a PDA phone

Oh, and when i made that post i did say "not PDA Phones".

lol, that only proves your ignorance. you don't have to be a bussines user to
use a windows mobile phone.

Originally Posted by darkado

lol, that only proves your ignorance. you don't have to be a bussines user to
use a windows mobile phone.

That proves your ignorance of me saying "business men etc". And i didn't say windows mobile phone, i said PDA Phone.
AND, when i said name another phone like the iPhone which isn't a PDA Phone and you name a PDA Phone brand, and you call me ignorant

Are you dyslexic? (if you know what that means)

If you had a bit more between your ears you would understand that my point is that there is a large number of people who would not buy a PDA Phone, the iPhone however they would.

i think you're the one that has trouble reading. 1. pda is not a brand. 2. pda's are dying. what do you think is the difference beetwen those pda's and wm phones, just your opinion nothing more. you agreed that the so called pda phones are not ugly (of course there are exceptions) and again you say a lot of people would not buy them, why i ask you?

Are you sure that most business people care if it's ugly. I honestly don't think so. They just need it to function, and the iPhone is not a business phone. I highly doubt most business users know how to unlock an iPhone.

Originally Posted by SteveMB93

Are you sure that most business people care if it's ugly. I honestly don't think so. They just need it to function, and the iPhone is not a business phone. I highly doubt most business users know how to unlock an iPhone.

What doesn't function on an iphone?

bussines user may apreciate iphones great internet capabilities

Originally Posted by darkado

i think you're the one that has trouble reading. 1. pda is not a brand. 2. pda's are dying. what do you think is the difference beetwen those pda's and wm phones, just your opinion nothing more. you agreed that the so called pda phones are not ugly (of course there are exceptions) and again you say a lot of people would not buy them, why i ask you?

I didn't say PDA was a brand. Learn to read.

And did you just say what's the difference between a PDA and a WM phone (i'm assuming by WM you mean walkman?). Well there is a hell of a lot of difference.

Originally Posted by SteveMB93

Are you sure that most business people care if it's ugly. I honestly don't think so. They just need it to function, and the iPhone is not a business phone. I highly doubt most business users know how to unlock an iPhone.

That's my point, most business users would buy a PDA Phone! But a lot of normal users wouldn't.


I don't have any friends who own a PDA phone (and don't go saying i don't have any friends). I have friends with Sory Ericsson's, Nokia's, Motorolla's, Sagems and maybe a few others. I dunno their exact models cause i don't really care to be honest, and numbers and letters jammed together are kinda hard to remember. But what i'm saying is that more people have a normal mobile phone rather than a PDA Phone. The iPhone however has some of the features of a PDA in a normal "type" phone rather than a PDA Phone, yet you (Darkado), keep saying that it's not revolutionary and it's all been seen before. But it's been seen before on PDA Phones!!! A lot of people don't want PDA Phones!!!

Originally Posted by DusL

What doesn't function on an iphone?

He means that business users don't care about how their phone looks, just how well it works which is true in a lot of cases. Not to do with the iPhone.

lol, wm is windows mobile, disscusion over. you don't have a clue what are you talking about. good luck with your ignorant fanboyism.

Originally Posted by darkado

lol, wm is windows mobile, disscusion over. you don't have a clue what are you talking about. good luck with your ignorant fanboyism.

mmmkay. Well, I know that WM is often short for Windows Mobile, but I assumed that you meant walkman because I never brought up Windows Mobile and whether it's different to a PDA.

Originally Posted by darkado

what do you think is the difference beetwen those pda's and wm phones, just your opinion nothing more.

WTF!!! My opinion? Show me where the F*** I gave an opinion on that??? I thought maybe you meant WalkMan phones (like the iPhone) when you said WM cause I NEVER said anything to do with what you just said.

And I'm not an Apple Fanboy (as I stated earlier), the iPhone is simply a good product so I'm not gonna take the piss out of it just because I don't like Apple.



I refuse to continue arguing when every time you go on about something which I didn't even say

I wonder if jailbreaking will be as common with the release of the SDK, minus the SIM card unlocking for other carriers.

that's a good question

Originally Posted by Skor459

I wonder if jailbreaking will be as common with the release of the SDK, minus the SIM card unlocking for other carriers.

I'm thinking that jailbreaking will continue because a lot of the applications will probably cost money. And chances are they will find a way to jailbreak the 2.0 firmware when it's released and that will allow people to use the apps from the SDK and the ones from the jailbreak at the same time so it's not like they have to make a decision on SDK or Jailbreak.