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cause the original one is too long to be stored in system database, I have to create new thread for those replies.

以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 0:09:00的发言：
主要是因为在多点触摸板上耽误了一些时间
It took lots of time on achieving multiple-touch.

由于m8最终的多点触摸板还没完成,所以工程开发板上临时的触摸板定位和坐标不准确影响操作演示,更无法安 装在演示工程样机上,但我们最迟在4月就肯定能完全解决触摸板的问题.
'Cause multi-touch is still under construction, so the locator and coordinate on touch screen is not accurate, and that affects demo, speaking off installation on demo prototype. But we will absolutely and completely finish that in the April at latest.

关于软件开发完成度,由于我们软件开发每一个功能块都在公司不同的小组同时开发,开发完成后再合并,虽然大 家这次看到没有完成的软件部分,但实际上也已经完成得差不多了.
something about Completion of software, for all the modules are given out to small teams in the company, and then combined together when finished. Though there is on one see the accomplished parts, they are nearly done.

开始我真的想放弃这次没准备好的参展,最后还是去了.虽然很仓促也不完善,但总算给大家一个交 代.
I really want to give up this time for CeBit, but tried at last. I knew that is in big hurry, and not perfect, but anyway, that may be an explaination to all of the guys who are caring about Meizu.

请大家再给我们一点时间,我们一定能打造出更完美的mini one!
Plz, few more time, we must finish a mini one even more perfect!

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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 0:45:00的发言：
3个键很好,外观不会改变,但量产的工艺质感肯定比工程样机好太多,比如批量的3个按键和表面是会完全平的 ,还有现在按键上的标识颜色太显眼了.工艺好了质感出来了自然就漂亮了,请相信我.
The 3 buttons are good, no change anymore, but true production will be much better than this, for example, 3 keys of true one will be absolutely flat. And the color on keys for identifier is too obviously, when putted on producing line, the better technique will give you better buttons, believe in me, plz.

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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 1:17:00的发言：
首先我们需要在技术上跟进,然后再谈艺术和超越别人.
the first thing we need to do is to catch up others in aspect of technique, and then talk about the art design and excelling.

对我们来说,m8首先要实现技术上的功能/性能,等m8可以产生足够的效益了,有了更多的资源我们就可以请到国内外最好的设计师设计再做一套ui,对 于已 经实现硬件软件技术的m8来说几乎不需要再做任何的调整,我们还可以充分考虑同类产品ui操作的优缺点从而 超越别人.这个是我们发展必须的过程.没有什么 好丢人的，更没有第2条更适合快速发展的方式。
For all of us, the first and foremost is achieving techniqual function and performance, when we got enough profit from sales of M8, we will have more resources, then can invite the best global designer to rebuild UI, cause there is no need for any change when M8 settling down all its hardware and software problems. We can also take full consideration on both advantages and faults of others' UI and operations. This is a procedure we must cover up, no shame to tell, and even no 2nd path for short cut.

我曾经说过就好象你小的时候学走路，到你在学校里读书，这些都是一个模仿与学习的过程，然后才有你日后独特 思维（创新）和超越别人的可能。
This is just like learning walking when you are young or studying in schools, all of these are mimic and learning procedure, and then after forming unique thought(creation), and the posiblitiy to surpass others.



国外有一句很著名的格言：“艺术源自模仿”，我们更需要从模仿到超越和创新，当然这里指不是复 制。
There is a famous byword: art originates from simulation. we need cover a road of simulation, exceeding and creation, of course not copy.

m8会不断的完善，最终会变得完美，然后我们还会有更多更好的产品出现，我们计划在3年内改变国内手机市场 的格局，并且年产值将突破百亿，然后...再上市再融资再继续第3个3年计划。我相信魅族能从m8开始腾飞 ...！
M8 will be better and better till perfect, and then we will publish more better productions. We have a plan, to change the layout of domestic mobile market, and achieving billions of output value in 3 years, then ... start to do something about stock, and the 3rd 3-year plan. We believe in that Meizu will take off from M8!
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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 2:23:00的发言：

流畅度是因为现在还是6400，换6410后会更好
The reason why it is not influent is 6400, it will be better for 6410.


响应灵敏度是因为临时的Synaptics触摸板（ 只有3寸的有效区）坐标偏移，也就是说系统知道你点了，但它认为你是点到空白区或不是相应的图标，所以不响 应.我们很快就能完成专门为m8定制的触摸板。
The low responding sensibility is caused by temporary Synaptics touch flat( only 3 inches available area) which has ordinate bias, that means, system knew you pointed, but it considered pointing is in blank area or not corresponding icon, therefore no responding for pointing. But it will be soon to finish the specific touch flat for m8.
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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 2:45:00的发言：
显示屏也是工程样品，色彩还有待调整，还有目前演示的是16位色
Display screen is sample, too. It needs color adjusting. And in the demo it still 16bit color.

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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 3:07:00的发言：

以下是引用Potato Killed Bonz在2008-3-5 2:27:00的发言： 那根本就不能算是工程机，明白？
That's not a prototype, understand?

相当于只是一个能让大家知道M8显示效果的能点亮的模型。
That's just a model at most to let all of you know the effect when m8 opened up

只有开发板上的可操作运行才有点现实意义。
only the operation on mainboards has some really meaning.

为什么不能算，装上触摸板就和开发板一样了
why not a prototype? The only diffirence to mainboards is just touch screen.

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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 3:11:00的发言：
工程样机的定义就是在工程开发过程中所试装的样机，当然到量产会装多个工程各个阶段的工程样机
defination for prototype is the sample while developing cycle, and there are many prototypes till the mass producing.
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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 3:14:00的发言：
等我们有资源就请很多国外的员工为魅族做事，这样有了语言环境好过专门培训
When the day we have lots of resources, we will invite lots of foreign employers to work here, so there will be a good english language environment to do some training.
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以下是引用J.Wong在2008-3-5 3:14:00的发言：
工程样机电路是配Quantum触摸板的，开发板也是，但Quantum触摸板有些问题那时还解决不了。我 们就把 临时Synaptics的触摸板用很多跳线连上去，再用黑胶布盖住。开发板面积大，而工程样机面积太小用临 时连线弄不了。直到昨天飞过来珠海协助我们的 Quantum英国工程师才解决了原有的问题，但对参展来说已经太迟了。
prototype circuit uses Quantum touch screen, so is the mainboards, but Quantum touch flat had some problems that we couldn't solve at that time. We changed temporary Synaptics touch flat , and connected some jumpers of it, then covered with black tape(that means insulation tape in chinese). Main board area is large, but the prototype area is too small to use tempoary jumpers. It was yesterday that the engeer who took the flight from British Quantum helped us solved all problems, but it is too late for expo.

Thanks for the translation looyea, it's really nice to have you around here!

Nice post Looyea

Makes very interesting reading.

Im still deliberating the whole M8 subject although, overall i think that Meizu has a very bright future ahead of them.

I do like Jack Wong's posts, he comes across as a very honest man who can admit if he and the company have had issues with the release of the M8, i cant imagine any other CEO talking on forums quite so frankly, fair play to the man

Regards

Russ

yeah for sure, as I said in another post I have been quite harsh to Meizu over the last few days. But after seeing the protypes at ceBit and getting such honest feedback from Mr Wong I have a new respect for the company and really hope they suceed with the M8 at least in their own domestic market and hopefully abroad too. Shame about the release date though, would love to see it earlier.

so about that release date (I posted about it also in another topic but still..) is that Q2 2008 or Q3 2008 or even something else?

nice post here tought anywayzzz

well I have to comment on this as well - sorry.

OK - the CEO is honest, that's nice. But: if I could not trust him I will not buy anything. The stuff I dislike at most from his comment: "if we sell a lot of m8, we can hire better GUI designers..."

Somehow I get the feeling, meizu wanna make easy money with stupid guys/gals buying a bad designed phones. Frankly, I have no motivation to be one of them.

Not to get me wrong: I like the m8 (still), but somehow the CEO is very strange and unprofessional...

Originally Posted by midsommer

well I have to comment on this as well - sorry.

OK - the CEO is honest, that's nice. But: if I could not trust him I will not buy anything. The stuff I dislike at most from his comment: "if we sell a lot of m8, we can hire better GUI designers..."

Somehow I get the feeling, meizu wanna make easy money with stupid guys/gals buying a bad designed phones. Frankly, I have no motivation to be one of them.

Not to get me wrong: I like the m8 (still), but somehow the CEO is very strange and unprofessional...

I think you translated it wrong. I think he meant that the GUI will be better once they have the financial resources because the M8 will be a huge financial investment for them.

Originally Posted by sere83

... and getting such honest feedback from Mr Wong...

Excuse me, but I fail to see the "honesty" of a man promising things he's unable to keep (M8's specs which were announced and then cut bit by bit, M8's release date which were prolonged and prolonged and prolonged...). Not to mention him being the head of a company that makes a living of ripping off Apple's bestsellers (M6 -> iPod, M8 -> iPhone...).

Originally Posted by looyea

我曾经说过就好象你小的时候学走路，到你在学校里读书，这些都是一个模仿与学习的过程，然后才有你日后独特 思维（创新）和超越别人的可能。
This is just like learning walking when you are young or studying in schools, all of these are mimic and learning procedure, and then after forming unique thought(creation), and the posiblitiy to surpass others.



国外有一句很著名的格言：“艺术源自模仿”，我们更需要从模仿到超越和创新，当然这里指不是复 制。
There is a famous byword: art originates from simulation. we need cover a road of simulation, exceeding and creation, of course not copy.

m8会不断的完善，最终会变得完美，然后我们还会有更多更好的产品出现，我们计划在3年内改变国内手机市场 的格局，并且年产值将突破百亿，然后...再上市再融资再继续第3个3年计划。我相信魅族能从m8开始腾飞 ...！
M8 will be better and better till perfect, and then we will publish more better productions. We have a plan, to change the layout of domestic mobile market, and achieving billions of output value in 3 years, then ... start to do something about stock, and the 3rd 3-year plan. We believe in that Meizu will take off from M8!
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^^^^^ did you not read this? he is well aware that he has taken significant inspiration from other products like the iphone. It is not dishonest to encounter a number of technical difficulties along the way (which he has mentioned many times in other posts) and have to put back the release date a few times. Do you know anything about tech? this happens all the time with products. Cowon's A3 and Q5 saw significant delays of many monthes. I'm sure he was not intending the M8 to take such a long time and to be delayed so much. I don't think you have any concept about how much money apple pumps into research and development. Apple is worth over a $150 billion!! do you know how much Meizu is worth? It produces only $50 million worth of players a year so must make a miniscule amount of money when compared to a monster like apple. How can you expect them to compete in the market with and also be able to create a product to match and compete with the quality of a company like apple's products in a shorter time frame (iphone took 2 1/2 years the M8 has been in development around 1 and 1/2 years). If you ask me they have done pretty damn well. The mistake they made was to announce it so early but again many of the technical difficulties were unforeseen.

Glad to see these kind of ... prototypes :P
No, honestly, at least they are still working on the M8. I think I will buy a cheap but stylish phone for this year (I think the M8 will be available in Q4 ...) ... maybe an Alcatel OT-V770 www.pocket-lint.co.uk/utilities/galleryview.php/NEWS-12994-3d5648ddd58bec88e44a223aec4cc790.jpg No fancy specs, but slim and stylish (and sensor keys for the keypad).
Let's wait for Tangmu's interview. Hopefully he can provide us with more details we want to know

Originally Posted by Graymalkin

Excuse me, but I fail to see the "honesty" of a man promising things he's unable to keep (M8's specs which were announced and then cut bit by bit, M8's release date which were prolonged and prolonged and prolonged...). Not to mention him being the head of a company that makes a living of ripping off Apple's bestsellers (M6 -> iPod, M8 -> iPhone...).

First of all, how are they making a living off of the M8? And the M6 is a copy of which Apple product?

Originally Posted by midsommer

Somehow I get the feeling, meizu wanna make easy money with stupid guys/gals buying a bad designed phones. Frankly, I have no motivation to be one of them.

Hm, I don't think it's bad designed, the interface is a copy of one that is very good... yes, it's a copy, but better copy something good, eh?
I wonder though why they don't just take a normal Windows Mobile interface or add PointUI for example. Should save them a lot of trouble.

Originally Posted by midsommer

well I have to comment on this as well - sorry.

OK - the CEO is honest, that's nice. But: if I could not trust him I will not buy anything. The stuff I dislike at most from his comment: "if we sell a lot of m8, we can hire better GUI designers..."

Somehow I get the feeling, meizu wanna make easy money with stupid guys/gals buying a bad designed phones. Frankly, I have no motivation to be one of them.

Not to get me wrong: I like the m8 (still), but somehow the CEO is very strange and unprofessional...

oh common if you don't know design then don't talk. the people at meizu just don't have enough experiance. for people to get better designs they have to first copy someoneelse's to get the required skill/technique and then add a little bit more creativity to it.
You say that the CEO is strange and unproffessional, not really. This CEO is one of the few that would actually be honest about the products his company makes and wants to keep fans of meizu.
And what he means by better GUI designers, he means more foreigners, which would create a more interesting GUI. combining chinese and american designers can actually be much better.

any word on gps?

Originally Posted by davidylai

oh common if you don't know design then don't talk. the people at meizu just don't have enough experiance. for people to get better designs they have to first copy someoneelse's to get the required skill/technique and then add a little bit more creativity to it.
You say that the CEO is strange and unproffessional, not really. This CEO is one of the few that would actually be honest about the products his company makes and wants to keep fans of meizu.
And what he means by better GUI designers, he means more foreigners, which would create a more interesting GUI. combining chinese and american designers can actually be much better.

Maybe I should make s.th. more clear:

'Design' for a device has mainly nothing to do with the appearance. GUI design implies: menu structure, shortcuts, user interaction, speed, interfaces, etc.
Hardware design: the components, their interactions, etc...
Both designs need high skills. See what Apple achieve with old hardware and limited functionality. Here 'design' counts - most people I know (including me) even deactivate all the graphic effects as they slower the work flow.

Design is not: nice icon here, rotating stuff there, combined with some fancy ring sound.
The latter can be done by every body with talent (best themes are for free) all over the world. And frankly: for the Chinese market they should hire Chinese, for Europe Europeans, etc. Taste differ over the world.

At the very end: The CEO indeed acts unprofessional if he really said it in the way it was in the translation. Honesty is nice, but I prefer quality. 200 € are a lot of money, and if the design of the device is bad, you wast your money. It is natural, that a company obtain and gain knowledge. But to say it in the way he did implies: the first bunch of phones will be beta, and if they sell well, we put more effort in. That is where my critic goes to.

Hm, as far as I understand him, the first phones won't be beta, they will be a carbon copy of the iPhones interface. Then, when they earn enough they hire some foreign UI designers to come up with something original that makes sense.

I do like mr. Wong was honest. Better hear the facts from him than getting the stories from the big companies
In my oppinion some people don't fully get how a device is being developped. Apple has their own OSXish design on the iPods and have huge amounts of resources, so they can put their software out relatively fast and put the devices out with relatively few bugs because they have many testers and programers most probably. On the other hand, one pays the programers, testers and many more than for a Meizu when buying their devices, and one also always buys the iPod/iPhone name with the player, which frankly doesn't interest me at all... On the other hand, you might get a slightly buggy Meizu (as we know with the M6) for a cheaper price and a high quality hardware (by previous experiences). And software can change over time, and also WinCE is easy to make programs for, so there the community might jump into the development as well.
Design in general means everything, from the placement of chips on the motherboard to the looks of the buttons over the menu's layout, though the touch sensitivity to the top-left pixel colour of the antenna icon on the screen...
I'm also sure the M8 won't go out as beta quality, or Meizu would even loose the chance to prove that the M8 was worth buying as a quality model. I think it'll only have minor bugs that won't stand out too much and they will work hard on fixing the most severe ones asap to get good reviews. Also, on WinCE, I doubt the M6's suttering bug would come up for example.

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Forgot to mention!
Meizu IS taking all the ideas from other products. But why the heck is everybody pointing at the iPods and iPhones? Yes, they were inspirations to Meizu, but hey, THEY've ripped off the design elements of countless previous MP3 players and phones and PDAs. What's the oh hail the big apple, bringer of all the original ideas and goodness attitude? o_O They have about as much originality as Meizu does. The difference is they're just known by too many. Also why they're bought instead of Cowon, iRiver, Meizu. Apple players are way worse value for money than the previously mentioned companies products.

Why does everybody says that the M8 is a iPhone clone? Does the iPhone has 3 buttons? Does the M8 has a dock in the today screen. Does the M8 uses the same icons as the iPhone, does the M8 uses the same backgrounds as the iPhone, has the M8 the same color Keypad as the iPhone?

Originally Posted by hotboxx

Why does everybody says that the M8 is a iPhone clone? Does the iPhone has 3 buttons? Does the M8 has a dock in the today screen. Does the M8 uses the same icons as the iPhone, does the M8 uses the same backgrounds as the iPhone, has the M8 the same color Keypad as the iPhone?

I sincerely hope that you were being ironic when writing this post :D

Originally Posted by Doomedsabre

I sincerely hope that you were being ironic when writing this post :D

No, just some facts.