J.Wong 3.5 UPDATE NEW!

Originally Posted by nice2know_u

just one thing he said: the gui won't be this similar to the iphone's when they finish it

They also said the M8 will be shipped in... ah, well - nevermind.

Seeing is believing.

looyea, if you here, please translate this!!! Thanks!

Translated version of http://meizu.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&ID=613997&page=1

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Originally Posted by nice2know_u

looyea, if you here, please translate this!!! Thanks!

Translated version of http://meizu.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&ID=613997&page=1

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sounds like, in April, J. WONG will demonstrate the M8 in H.K. and in Juni in Taiwan.

So what is the bigger deal? You wanna be there, too?

I just thought it's a possible release date or something :D

Originally Posted by Graymalkin

Don't get me wrong, I still think the M8 is an awesome concept. But I just can't stand the M8's fanboys claiming it's not an iPhone rip-off. It is, and that's why I was originally interrested in it.

yes; so we will agree on that

now as you point out , Apple paved the way so I would not say the M8 is an awesome concept ; could it just be an awesome affordable -carrier free- clone I would be happy with this ! unless it takes another year to release it ...

I Agree with midsommer, it does sound like that.

Heres something else i just found:

The following is quoted in 2008-3-6 22:33:00 J. Wong statement:

还好m8仍在继续展出,现在我们珠海总部已经可以装出包括触摸在内的能更全面展示的工程样机,等过几天或者 我们可以亲自拍个视频演示给大家看看.

Fortunately m8 continues to display, and now we can Zhuhai headquarters pretended to touch, to include a more comprehensive display of the prototype works, such as a few days or we can personally shoot video demonstration for everyone to see.

So, hopefully we'll see a better prototype soon.

regards

Russarch, yeah I have seen that one too, I really hope we'll see a better prototype soon

I saw the m8 today at CeBIT and yeah the UI is copied!
But everyone calling it an iPhone clone should think of the possibility, of change of the hard/soft -wear until the release.

So don't call it a clone until its out...!

I talked to Mr. Wong today at CeBIT.
All the following information is just what I understand, English is not my native language and also not Mr. Wongs. So this information could be wrong/bad translated etc...

He said the UI will change so it will not be similar to the UI of the iPhone!
There is also no final decision if the m8 will be locked or unlocked!
It will not have DVB-T!
It will support many different codecs!
There will be an SDK or a way to develop softwear for the m8!
It is possible that we will have the m8 by the end of 2008 in Germany! <--- This is not for sure or anything just an assumption made by Mr. Wong

The screen on the Dummy was, when I understood it right, the final screen... And it is really a nice screen! It is really crisp. You can look at it by almost every angle and the colors stay the same! Also the resolution is very high and the font is, I think, 3 pixel big (3 pixel for a line).

I will definitely buy an m8 when it gets released and it has not a better competitor than the iPhone.

Originally Posted by kadajawi

The iPhone is no real PDA because it is locked down. Of course you can hack the iPhone, and when the SDK comes (hm, shouldn't that be, uh, today or so?) it becomes a PDA, but until then for me it is a feature phone.

Well, the SDK has been presented just a few hours ago (read a detailed metaliveblog of the event over at The Unofficial Apple Weblog) and it looks like it's going to be even more spectacular than expected. With the possibilities the iPhone SDK offers we are talking about entering a whole new level of mobile experience. This nothing short of revolutionary. I for one am very, very, very excited about what's to come. Holy camoly, RIM's shares dropped even 3$ during this event!

This is a very mighty chunk of meat Apple is throwing at the mobile pack. Windows Mobile 7 is more than one year away and the M8 is going to run on an already outdated Windows CE kernel - which will be even more outdated when it is finally going to ship. By then, the Apple SDK will already be out for a few month and developers will have created stunning content.

The M8 has missed its chance to become a great product. It's outdated before it's even released. A shame.

yes but i'm sure the M8 will have it's own developer community once released.

Thanks for the share Yeeze..

It does seam as if Meizu are gonna change as much as they can to make the M8 look less iPhonesque.

Hopefully then people will stop comparing it to the iPhone, They should see it for what it really is......Just another phone.

Sadly due to all the delays the M8 isnt going to be the same cutting edge device that it would of been at time of conception - or if it was released 6 months ago.

regards

*EDIT*

just found this (discussing the 3 key layout):

The following is quoted feel3000 in 2008-3-7 3:37:00 statement:

蓝色的按键光会做上吧老大？

Light blue button will cook it boss?

The following is quoted in 2008-3-7 3:53:00 J. Wong statement:

不会有蓝光,因为厚度不够做,只有2mm厚给按键整个机构的空间,下面就是铝板了,再下面就是 显示屏了

There will be no blue, because not enough thickness to only 2 mm thick keys to the entire space, aluminium Below is a further Below is a screen

Do you think this mean that the 3 key layout wont be 'back lit' ?

Originally Posted by Yeeze

.../...
I talked to Mr. Wong today at CeBIT.
.../....
It is possible that we will have the m8 by the end of 2008 in Germany! <--- This is not for sure or anything just an assumption made by Mr. Wong

thnx for these infos

now 10 more month , or ..more, it's damn long to wait

Originally Posted by sere83

yes but i'm sure the M8 will have it's own developer community once released.

It will never be as strong and wide as the iPhone's, or even backed by big companies willing to put their apps, APIs and stuff on a mobile platform.

M8 could benefit from a platform-based community rather than a specific one around m8...but not even that wll happen because people will focus on Windows Mobile, and Meizu runs WinCE, which aren't exactly the same and thus cross-compatibility is uncertain.

With the little dissapointment (for me, at least) about the Meizu M8 at CeBit and the SDK news about the iPhone, i'm afraid i'll start looking into getting an iPhone.

Yeah, I guess so...but it's not a big deal, since there's only 3 same-sized button, and all of them are at the bottom of the screen. But I agree the blue backlit, would look cool

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

It will never be as strong and wide as the iPhone's, or even backed by big companies willing to put their apps, APIs and stuff on a mobile platform.

M8 could benefit from a platform-based community rather than a specific one around m8...but not even that wll happen because people will focus on Windows Mobile, and Meizu runs WinCE, which aren't exactly the same and thus cross-compatibility is uncertain.

With the little dissapointment (for me, at least) about the Meizu M8 at CeBit and the SDK news about the iPhone, i'm afraid i'll start looking into getting an iPhone.

yeah ur right, off course there will never be the community and 3rd party support and app development their will be on the iphone but for me this is not a big issue. Since the M8 will be built on a Win Ce architecture I presume that all the options, file support and applications which are available for win ce 6.0 based devices will be avilable for the M8.

The M8 for me is first and foremost a media playback device and day to day phone more than anything else. The open source and varied codec support, high quality sound and high res video support (which will both obliterate the iphone), USB-OTG, Drag & Drop file transfer and Tv-Out is really what drew me to this phone in the first place. You simply won't find all these options in other devices not even the iphone.

I severely doubt we will see a phone on the market before the M8 comes out which plays back Xvid and H.264 at full DVD resolution on a 3.4 inch multitouch screen. It will clearly have all the basic functions of any phone anyway, which is fine for me (multiple alarms would be nice) and I will not be using any advanced PDAesque functionality apart from web surfing over wifi. But with the inclusion of opera mobile (probably 9.5 or above) we will have the best mobile browser available so this has already been taken care of. I suppose certain sites may not work properly but it's not the end of the world.

The only things I would really like to see are flash/java and emulator support which i'm sure will come either from meizu or the development community. 3G would be nice but i'm not in a position to pay for an expensive data plan right now so again it makes no difference to me. Every other 3rd party application would really just be a gimic to me.

This is just my opinion I guess others may want to do more. There is also the small fact that the iphone is one of the most unoriginal things you can buy now. Here in the Uk (and in the US) it is like any old handset, everyone owns one. So many posers I see think they are setting trends and being original when really it is the total opposite. The novelty of the M8 is great. I also don't want to be an apple drone and be told what I can and can't do on my phone by Mr Jobs. The guy even tries to dictate the bloody headphones and acessories I buy by recessing the headphone jack. That's a joke.

I have never been a fan of Apples politics and this whole 'closed platform' mentality which he sells to the public as 'simplicity' and 'necessary security'. I have always felt he tries to patronise those who actually know about tech and aren't you average middle of the road ipod buying consumer. I also find the way Jobs tries to change governmental policy about not allowing the sale of unlocked handsets as egotistical, arrogant and unbelievably greed driven.

Don't get me wrong though I do appreciate the design of apple products, particularly their software. But the Meizu platform at least embraces open source to an extent and they have not ruled out Android either. Plus I like the way Wong has stuck his fingers up at Apple and has plans to really shake up the Chinese market (a highly lucrative market where the iphone has yet to suceed). All these reasons alone are enough for me to wait for this phone and put off giving my money to Apple.

Originally Posted by Skinny101

ok, i guess we have different views on that one.

May i add, having 2 extra buttons for the phone and music is kinda useless anyway, since you can just turn the screen on and touch the part which says phone or music But i guess that is a massive difference for some :eek:

I think it's a good idea. Instead of browsing through the menu, you can just click on the button.

Also, I haven't seen that feature in the demonstrations...only on the screenshots (If you're referring to the 4 icons at the bottom of the screen on the home screen)

J Wong said a few hours ago that the SDK will be available when the M8 goes on sale
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Originally Posted by Graymalkin

That's a tribune I could do without:

A (semi-informed blog/newspaper reader): "Hey, ain't that the phone that was in the news for iPhone phlagiatism?"
B (M8-owner): "Uhm, yeah...."

Right - that's what I want my phone to be famous for.

Right, because we all want our phones to be famous. Give me a break. Do you honestly care what people think about your phone?

Well, people obviously buy phones to show off to their schoolmate, isn't it obvious Steve?
My problem isn't that people call the M8 a copy cuz it is, and as far as the exterior design and GUI looks, it has very few of their own ideas in it. The problem is that people call it an _iPhone_ clone! And that's a whole other thing cuz it's just Apple's marketing that got the iPhone so known and why people say it's oh the original. It's simply a very successful product and also a direct competitior of the M8.
In the exterior design, as previously said by many people, there aren't many things to be different, and those things are probably already different in the M8. The screen's almost all the player and buttons can neither be put to the top cuz you'd cover the screen with your hand nor to the side cuz it'd make it bigger, nor to the back cuz you wouldn't see it. What else is there to change in it? Heart shaped LCD? o_O
As for the menu, I think that it's not at all a very unique thing either from the iPhone or from the M8. The only fact why people keep making all the references to the iPhone's menu system is because noone really knows anything else than the iPhone. Engadget also directly started themselves up when the Meizu booth was closed cuz the M8 was too similar to the iPhone, which was quite obviously a *whistle*.

The only thing why I keep going on with how much neither the M8 or the iPhone is original is because I think that people saying it's an iPhone clone is kind of an uneducated "offense" to it and people reading only that would get the false image that the M8's just a cheap cr*p where the iPhone's THE thing!
The real differences are the features it gives over the iPhone, which are fully the M8's own. Far better sound quality anyone? Really good LCD screen? OTG? These features are all in the hardware design (yea I said design. Like the GUI's looks!) fully and totally, and those aren't at all stolen from the iPhone. It never even had them!

P.S.: 3 buttons are a big difference - you can press them inside your pocket or under your shirt (in case of neck-hang earphones) without needing to take it out.

P.S. 2: Someone said why did the calendar icon need to be red when it could've been blue as well. Say we have 10 devices on the market, and you wanna be the 11th. There are 10 different colours for the 10 diff devices. So you'll choose pink, cuz that's the color that hasn't been taken yet? (And that's such a tiny detail that it doesn't matter. The screen transitions could be much more important similarities for example, they're very obvious the first time one uses the GUI for example. But again, why would an other company's product disable you to use a design element?)

Originally Posted by SteveMB93

Right, because we all want our phones to be famous. Give me a break. Do you honestly care what people think about your phone?

No, but I honestly care what people think of me. And one of the last things I want is people thinking of me as a supporter of cheap chinese companies which rip off highly popular technology and sell it for peanuts.

Well, people obviously buy phones to show off to their schoolmate, isn't it obvious Steve?

True, but I left that stage about two decades ago. Unlike a lot of other users around here which seem to look at the world with a fair amount of youthful delusions and wishful thinking. :P

The problem is that people call it an _iPhone_ clone! And that's a whole other thing cuz it's just Apple's marketing that got the iPhone so known and why people say it's oh the original. It's simply a very successful product and also a direct competitior of the M8.

People will keep calling it an iPhone clone as long as its UI looks like the iPhone's. Simple as that. 'cause face it: The averagely educated and informed person doesn't care which CPU it runs on, which kernel the OS is built around or if there's three buttons instead of one. People believe what they see. And what they see, is an UI similar to the iPhone. Meizu'll have to change it significantly to get rid of that stigma.

...and people reading only that would get the false image that the M8's just a cheap cr*p where the iPhone's THE thing!

Well, for the wide masses the iPhone actually is THE thing. That's what Apple's merciless and unstoppable marketing machinery achieved. You can hold any grudge against Apple and bash them as much as you like - but they sure as hell know how to make their stuff popular and sell it like hotcakes.
And that's why Apple is this successful and Meizu isn't. Allright, so Meizu got nice products. And besides that? Any noticeable marketing strategy? Any broadly applicated PR? Anything at all?
No, on the contrary. Meizu keeps misleading, misguiding and misinforming their customers, prolonging the release date further and further, promising their FANS that they will bring a prototype to CeBIT and then show nothing but a nonfunctional shell displaying three static screenshots when being pushed. That's not attracting people, that's pissing them off.
And Apple? Apple could even can Job's farts, sell them as air refresher and people would believe them. Why? Because for the masses, it's not about specifications and feature lists. They couldn't care less. The average customer doesn't care if the CPU is an ARM or XScale, if it's running at 620MHz or 640 MHz, they're even confused by such stuff. They don't want to hear it. It's all about emotions. They want stuff to simply work. And - believe you me - some smiling guy in a black turtleneck telling and showing you how easy it is to handle the iPhone evokes a lot of emotions. It's exactly what people want to hear - and Apple delivers.

And this is why Steve Jobs is a obscenely rich old fart and Jack Wong isn't. And if Meizu is not changing their way on that matter it's going to stay like that.

P.S.: 3 buttons are a big difference - you can press them inside your pocket or under your shirt (in case of neck-hang earphones) without needing to take it out.

That's what I got that little knob on the headset's microphone for. One click - play/pause. Two clicks - next track. Or when the phone rings, one click - accept call. Two clicks - send to mailbox. Don't need to push no friggin' buttons on the phone for that, it's all about 15cm below my right ear. :P