M8 Release date (speculation!!)

Originally Posted by nice2know_u

Same situation here... Maybe you should add a question your thread: Will it sell unlocked? Because their CeBIT profile says:
"We cordially welcome valued mobile operators,retail chains and distributors
to visit our booth at CeBIT 2008 for a meeting and discussion about M8."

I hope they still prefer selling it unlocked.

Originally Posted by DusL

Let's ask another question: Can you give us an exact release date that is not doomed to endure another delay as us fans are seeing no end of the tunnel whatsoever concerning a release period? Some may think that it is obvious that they will tell at CeBIT by themselves, but with the latest Q3-rumors/fears i'm not so sure they would give a clear date to us.

Lol btw, if their say it will come out at Q3 the entire situation will be the same as last year :D
Last year they also gave us Q3 as releaseperiod :P

Please post your questions directly to the interview-thread. Update is coming next week.

Originally Posted by DusL

What a messed up company....

Either that person writing the e-mail is wrongly informed, or their officially getting the biggest-delay-ever-award from me.

An entire year of delay??
That's not called delay any more, that just means that your judgement of a product you manufacture being done is entire bullcrap.

I'm dropping the m8 if it comes out in Q3.

Nonsense. Ever heard of Duke Nukem Forever? It was announced 11 years ago, and we are still waiting. Team Fortress 2 also took 9 years until it finally hit the shelves.

Development of the iPhone started in 2005, with an estimated development cost of 150 million dollar. Apple had far more engineers, money, etc. to develop the iPhone and they barely made it, some say that the iPhone as it was released wasn't finished, with lots of features left out because they couldn't do it in time. That Meizu is having a hard time is not that hard to understand.

Fair enough the M8 was always bound to take a very long time but what I do not understand is how Meizu can go for so long without releaseing any new player models or properly updating the old ones. Are they not looseing money?

Originally Posted by kadajawi

Nonsense. Ever heard of Duke Nukem Forever?

YEAH! I'll wait for this game til it's done

Originally Posted by kadajawi

Nonsense. Ever heard of Duke Nukem Forever? It was announced 11 years ago, and we are still waiting. Team Fortress 2 also took 9 years until it finally hit the shelves.

Development of the iPhone started in 2005, with an estimated development cost of 150 million dollar. Apple had far more engineers, money, etc. to develop the iPhone and they barely made it, some say that the iPhone as it was released wasn't finished, with lots of features left out because they couldn't do it in time. That Meizu is having a hard time is not that hard to understand.

Then Meizu shouldn't have announced the goddamn thing in the first place january last year! At least Apple announced it when they actually had a prototype done at macworld 2007. Meizu had a render, and now we've still got a non-correct render and a non-correct plastic dummy picture. What kind of progress do you call that? So no, I don't understand why Meizu is having such a hard time; they've put this on themselves. They shouldn't have announced the existance in the first place.

DNF are also f****d up projects, you can't control a decent production process when that happens. This counts for everything that has a delay that's out of proportion.

Originally Posted by DusL

Then Meizu shouldn't have announced the goddamn thing in the first place january last year! At least Apple announced it when they actually had a prototype done at macworld 2007. Meizu had a render, and now we've still got a non-correct render and a non-correct plastic dummy picture. What kind of progress do you call that? So no, I don't understand why Meizu is having such a hard time; they've put this on themselves. They shouldn't have announced the existance in the first place.

DNF are also f****d up projects, you can't control a decent production process when that happens. This counts for everything that has a delay that's out of proportion.

I don't think this is correct.
Apple also leaked several renders of iPhone prototypes long before they had a product to show (I think I remember seeing these in magazines even before 2005!). Most were just cross-breed between iPods and sliding-keyboard mobiles. But after years of being just "vapourware", they officially announced it at macworld 2007 and surprised everyone with a product that was completely different from the prototypes.

With the M8 it's more or less the same thing. Meizu still hasn't officially announced the M8 to the world, and if J. Wong is to be believed, it will happen on CeBIT where a working prototype will be shown.

The one big difference that I see is that Apple could take their time with the iPhone because they kept the hype under control and had many other products to release in the meantime. So when the iPhone was presented, it was a very polished product for a community of already trusting followers. That was good business strategy.

But let's just wait and see what Meizu comes up with.

Originally Posted by Traps

I don't think this is correct.
Apple also leaked several renders of iPhone prototypes long before they had a product to show (I think I remember seeing these in magazines even before 2005!). Most were just cross-breed between iPods and sliding-keyboard mobiles. But after years of being just "vapourware", they officially announced it at macworld 2007 and surprised everyone with a product that was completely different from the prototypes.

With the M8 it's more or less the same thing. Meizu still hasn't officially announced the M8 to the world, and if J. Wong is to be believed, it will happen on CeBIT where a working prototype will be shown.

The one big difference that I see is that Apple could take their time with the iPhone because they kept the hype under control and had many other products to release in the meantime. So when the iPhone was presented, it was a very polished product for a community of already trusting followers. That was good business strategy.

But let's just wait and see what Meizu comes up with.

I'm afraid I don't agree with you again :D

Apple always denies the existance of a product until they officially announce it. This is the same story with Microsoft, Google and other big companies. If there were renders before, they were "leaked" in the most true way of the word; they were not meant to be for the public.

I don't agree with the fact that you recon the m8 not to be officially announced yet. Wong has been posting pictures of the device and specs and updates for crying out loud...this has been taking an entire year now. How can you not interpret this is them going to "bring the device out"? "Bring the device out" = announced product

I think it's very ironic if the Meizu never officially announced it until this point if they've already given us a release period, preliminary specs, renders, dummy 1, appearance remake (black), a delay, dummy 2 and a showoff date :D

So unless these arguments turn out to be crap, my previous post still counts as arguments :P

Originally Posted by DusL

Apple always denies the existance of a product until they officially announce it. This is the same story with Microsoft, Google and other big companies. If there were renders before, they were "leaked" in the most true way of the word; they were not meant to be for the public.

Take a look at this old post in the Meizu BBS (took me a bit to find, lol). There are a few scans from magazines showing early iPhone prototypes. I remember seeing these on magazines as actual Apple early advertisements (probably to create brand-awareness). And these happeared long before the final product was announced.

Originally Posted by DusL

I don't agree with the fact that you recon the m8 not to be officially announced yet. Wong has been posting pictures of the device and specs and updates for crying out loud...this has been taking an entire year now. How can you not interpret this is them going to "bring the device out"? "Bring the device out" = announced product

Well, you're mostly right.. they have announced the M8.. except that posts on a BBS don't really count as an *official* public announcement. The closest they have been to that was when they held a conference with distributors last November IMHO. So far they may even come out with a product that's completely different from all the pictures posted. And this is not too different from what Apple did.

Originally Posted by DusL

I think it's very ironic if the Meizu never officially announced it until this point if they've already given us a release period, preliminary specs, renders, dummy 1, appearance remake (black), a delay, dummy 2 and a showoff date :D

Well, that allied with the fact that no other Meizu products have been lauched in the meantime, is just very bad business strategy.

Originally Posted by DusL

I'm afraid I don't agree with you again :D

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So unless these arguments turn out to be crap, my previous post still counts as arguments :P

No problem, we just happen to have different views. And that's what makes forums fun :P

Sorry, but those were fakes. Created by fans etc.. Some might have been published by magazines as an example how it might look... after a while everyone was believing there was going to be an iPhone. But Apple themselves were as usual very very secretive, with probably only a hand full of people having seen the thing till the day of the announcement.

Meizu is a different company though. No one gives a f... about what they are doing (well, more or less), there are no rumour sites, analysts don't care etc. While Apple gets hype for free, Meizu had to create it themselves, so they announced the M8. I doubt that they expected to get these delays... which is a mistake IMHO. Apple needed several years and a lot of money and engineers to create the iPhone. How could Meizu expect to pull of the same thing in a few months? At least if the M8 should be superior to the iPhone...

Btw.: The Untold Story: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry That's the story of the iPhone...

Originally Posted by DusL

Then Meizu shouldn't have announced the goddamn thing in the first place january last year! At least Apple announced it when they actually had a prototype done at macworld 2007. Meizu had a render, and now we've still got a non-correct render and a non-correct plastic dummy picture. What kind of progress do you call that? So no, I don't understand why Meizu is having such a hard time; they've put this on themselves. They shouldn't have announced the existance in the first place.

DNF are also f****d up projects, you can't control a decent production process when that happens. This counts for everything that has a delay that's out of proportion.

Don't you understand? Apple has the financial resources to make a phone a LOT faster than Meizu. Now quit your whining.

Originally Posted by SteveMB93

Don't you understand? Apple has the financial resources to make a phone a LOT faster than Meizu. Now quit your whining.

So? I don't get the point your making here. How does that justify Meizu announcing a product which probably only existed in their sketchbooks by then? Or as you put it, still has a loooong way before it's done because of less financial resources. I will bring out the ePhone if you want -> here's a drawing.

Originally Posted by DusL

So? I don't get the point your making here. How does that justify Meizu announcing a product which probably only existed in their sketchbooks by then? Or as you put it, still has a loooong way before it's done because of less financial resources. I will bring out the ePhone if you want -> here's a drawing.

I never said it had a long way to go. I said that the Meizu would take longer to make overall. To compare Meizu and a billion dollar company is idiotic.

Originally Posted by SteveMB93

I never said it had a long way to go. I said that the Meizu would take longer to make overall. To compare Meizu and a billion dollar company is idiotic.

Trust me, for some weard reason concerning an Apple-like GUI, itouch-like model and a previous nano-like product people are. They're also stepping into the same market, aren't we like.....supposed to compare them?

It took Apple from Januari to June to go from prototype to release. So using the idea of longer production, Q3 is the best bet for a M8 release. So it's still what i said before -> it still has a long way to go.

I really like this discussion btw, let's me express my frustration with this company.

I don´t wanna scary europeans, but company (BellTechnologies), who release MEIZU´s producs in Europe under their own mark ( EMGETON ) has on their official sites 3Q 2008 EMGETON 55 Years 1951-2006 * MP3/PMP Players, USB/Flash Memory, NXT Speakers, Optical Storages, CD/DVD TAIYO YUDEN Recordable Media, DVD-R TAIYO YUDEN DVD+R DVD-RW DVD+RW CD-R CD-RW CD-R AUDIO TAIYO YUDEN DVD-R TAIYO YUDEN DVD+R TAIYO YUDEN CD-R EMGE :eek: and I don´t think that they are going to have half year delay from the other continents.

Meizu is not a serious company, I stop wait M8 and buy an other phone!