The Alternative M8 Products topic

I have used the Samsung Omnia i900 extensively and no matter what anyone says windows mobile is s**t. It was made to be used with a stylus and never made to be used with a finger and no matter how much these companies like samsung and HTC try and customise it will never come near the iphone interface (btw I am no apple fan). We are talking about a whole different level of usability and hardware and software integration. Win Mo is slow, clunky, poorly executed and unintuitive it is a dinosaur plain and simple. The touch screens on these phones aren't necessarily poor it's the OS that can not make proper use of them. I mean christ Winmo only supports 262,000 colours, the software sound decoding is also notoriously weak. Also the i900 claims divx support and can't handle files much above the screens native 400x240 resolution either.

As for Nokia they should wise up and ditch symbian. They may not be trying to compete with the iphone with this new 5800 product as it looks like it is aiming for the lower end of the market, but look at the interface...lets get serious. It looks like something from the early 90's. These comapnies are having a laugh if you ask me. None of them are trying to push the envelope, its not suprising that there is so much hype around the iphone....in terms of GUI's apple make these comapnies look like a bunch of useless clowns.

In my mind Meizu are one of the only companies on the planet that have the right idea when it comes to making a touch screen phone. Build it from scratch on top of a solid and most importantly FLEXIBLE foundation that will be able to handle the GUI properly. And while WinCE 6.0 is relativley untested you can bet it will kick the crap out of WinMO 6.1 and it's vast array of limitations. In fact anything based on WIN CE 5.0, considering the WIN CE 6.0 kernal has been completely redesigned and tailored towards more modern hardware/software and can support the running of thousands more processes at once as well as the fact it will form the foundation for WinMo7 which will be hevaily graphic and touch/gesture orientated (wonder where they got that idea from?).

Originally Posted by sere83

As for Nokia they should wise up and ditch symbian.

Excuse me?


There is no reason what-so-ever to ditch Symbian.
The interface Nokia uses form most of their phones (S60) is the reason it "looks like something from the 90s" (<-- Which I disagree with you about. I have yet to use a phone with a more useable/easy interface).

The event driven API-system Symbian uses is genius!

No more power consuming event-loops doing nothing.



Besides, as Symbian is going to be open sourced quite soon I bet we're going to see lots of new interfaces to it.

Originally Posted by sere83

I have used the Samsung Omnia i900 extensively and no matter what anyone says windows mobile is s**t. It was made to be used with a stylus and never made to be used with a finger and no matter how much these companies like samsung and HTC try and customise it will never come near the iphone interface (btw I am no apple fan). We are talking about a whole different level of usability and hardware and software integration. Win Mo is slow, clunky, poorly executed and unintuitive it is a dinosaur plain and simple. The touch screens on these phones aren't necessarily poor it's the OS that can not make proper use of them. I mean christ Winmo only supports 262,000 colours, the software sound decoding is also notoriously weak. Also the i900 claims divx support and can't handle files much above the screens native 400x240 resolution either.

As for Nokia they should wise up and ditch symbian. They may not be trying to compete with the iphone with this new 5800 product as it looks like it is aiming for the lower end of the market, but look at the interface...lets get serious. It looks like something from the early 90's. These comapnies are having a laugh if you ask me. None of them are trying to push the envelope, its not suprising that there is so much hype around the iphone....in terms of GUI's apple make these comapnies look like a bunch of useless clowns.

In my mind Meizu are one of the only companies on the planet that have the right idea when it comes to making a touch screen phone. Build it from scratch on top of a solid and most importantly FLEXIBLE foundation that will be able to handle the GUI properly. And while WinCE 6.0 is relativley untested you can bet it will kick the crap out of WinMO 6.1 and it's vast array of limitations. In fact anything based on WIN CE 5.0, considering the WIN CE 6.0 kernal has been completely redesigned and tailored towards more modern hardware/software and can support the running of thousands more processes at once as well as the fact it will form the foundation for WinMo7 which will be hevaily graphic and touch/gesture orientated (wonder where they got that idea from?).

I totaly agree!

Im Too
Its A Big Machine

Samsung I900

Originally Posted by haXXa

Excuse me?


There is no reason what-so-ever to ditch Symbian.
The interface Nokia uses form most of their phones (S60) is the reason it "looks like something from the 90s" (<-- Which I disagree with you about. I have yet to use a phone with a more useable/easy interface).

The event driven API-system Symbian uses is genius!

No more power consuming event-loops doing nothing.



Besides, as Symbian is going to be open sourced quite soon I bet we're going to see lots of new interfaces to it.

yes perhaps writing off the whole symbian platform, is a bit hasty, and you are correct it does have some strong features but in a market so dominated by aesthetics you have to think how can Nokia continue to push interfaces like the S60? Useability is great and all but come on it looks dated and old fashinoned. A nice font, some nice icons, good looking nav bars it doesn't take much. The lure of a good looking device and interface is huge as the iphone has shown. Windows mobile looks like S**t too, the whole manner in which it functions is also completely convoluted and unintuitive. The only thing WinMo has going for it is the amazing amount of apps avilable for it.

HTC Touch HD takes 480 x 800 pixels fullscreen - Engadget

Come on, Meizu, hurry up!

Whoa... Well at least we know the interface isn't going to be great.

Hey! I didn't read the 19 pages.

What about the SciPhone? DealExtreme: $160.00 SciPhone i68 Quadband 3.2" LCD Java + Motion Sensor Dual SIM Dual Network GSM Cell Phone * EMS

I'm thinking about buying it, because I can't wait for the M8!!! What do you think? Is it worth it?

A videoreview YouTube - SciPhone i68 Review ( Best Iphone Clone)

a clone is a clone and the m8 is the m8(much work much originality in the software part better processor better features and hardware ) if you can't wait just buy this shit but don't cry when the m8 will be released .

I'm happy to see the M8 developpement continue to bereal and ... very slow

but the concurrence, of course with more power and money can developp quicker new phones.

the last one : the HTC Diamond Touch HD.

With
- Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro
- Qualcomm 7201A @ 528MHz
- 512 Mb ROM / 256 Mb RAM (+ 32 Mb on the cpu !)
- WVGA (480x800 pixels) !
- Dimensions : 115 mm x 62,8 mm x 12 mm
- Wifi / Bluetooth / GPS / HSDPA ...
- Camera 5 Megapixels without flash
- No Dpad (but a pen)
- microSD extension
- Battery of 1350 mAH
- Jack 3.5 mm on the top
- Same dimension as an iphone 3g but with a 4" screen !!!


Months after months The meizu M8 loose on interest, with better phones, more options.

The meizu M8 can only success if the price will be above 200usd without contract, but it could be a good iphone like for cheap and poor persons...

Looks nice but it will probably cost 3 times more than the M8. Also I don't like winmo and I think the processor will be too slow for that resolution. Apart from these it's a nice device

it could be a good iphone like for cheap and poor persons...

That was a little rude don't you think?

Originally Posted by DAZKILL

The meizu M8 can only success if the price will be above 200usd without contract, but it could be a good iphone like for cheap and poor persons...

Ah such a funny and odd comment

HTC Dream






S.O = Android

more info

23th september and $199

Originally Posted by nice2know_u

Looks nice but it will probably cost 3 times more than the M8. Also I don't like winmo and I think the processor will be too slow for that resolution. Apart from these it's a nice device
That was a little rude don't you think?

Not so much rude, more insulting.

Voicing your opinion is an act of free speech, that's not rude

Originally Posted by Suriv

HTC Dream

S.O = Android

more info

23th september and $199

Well... this seems to be another serious contender for Mr. Jack Wong toy... I don't know why I'm comparing him with that fabulous airplane of Howard Hughes the H-4 (HK-1) Hercules "Spruce Goose"... that was really fantastic... but flight just one time.

More photos of the HTc Dream

i'm torn between the M8 and the Touch HD. can anyone refresh why i should get the M8 over the Touch HD?

The Touch HD is about 2 to 3 times as expensive as the M8. The processor is a bit less I think and there is no decent build-in memory (only RAM and ROM for a few programs, you'll have to put your movies and MP3 etc on your MicroSD which you have to buy)

Originally Posted by Pindarots

The Touch HD is about 2 to 3 times as expensive as the M8. The processor is a bit less I think and there is no decent build-in memory (only RAM and ROM for a few programs, you'll have to put your movies and MP3 etc on your MicroSD which you have to buy)

True, but, IMHO, the biggest drawback of the HD is that it looks big, too big...even if quite thin, fitting this in your pocket or your hand start to be awkward...
That being said, the other specs are great, even if the processor may be too weak for some codecs at this resolution, so I do not expect smooth HD videos. Specs so nice that I would really check the size to see if I can get over with it. But I doubt it, it is larger than the iphone which is already just too big for me. The m8, OTOH, is slightly smaller than the iphone and imho the perfect size...like the itouch 1st generation, another perfectly sized device imho ;-)
If they could just make a smaller HD, keeping the excellent idea that the screen must take the highest percentage of the available front side (bouh diamond, and shame google dream, why loose all this precious space to nothing but a few buttons that would fit on 1/3 of the surface? ), with a 3.2-3.6 inches screen, even slightly reducing resolution if needed...
And better fit a SD card reader instead of a microSD, is the place really so limited that an SD slot is not manageable? I doubt it, even if it mean adding a few mm to the thickness. That would allow for a larger battery too (I think the focus on thinness has gone too far, even if it is nice for pocketting)

I have to say both the HTC and the T-Mobile G1 (HTC dream) don't really excite me much at all. The M8 seems far more interesting and that is from both an aesthtic, and functionlity/UI implementation point of view.

At the end of the day the HTC will be very expensive will blatantly not support high res video properly and has all the shortcomings of any windows mobile device. Poor usability, unintuitive, convoluted, confusing and ugly looking interface. Limited to 262,000 colours, not really made to be used with a finger. Once you get past the large screen and HTC customization, underneath it is the same rubbish winmo crap. This is in no way a threat to the iphone, usability and software/hardware implementation is way way more important to consumers than screen size and pixel density. This will be similar to the Samsung i900, which I was not impressed at all with. Apples interface is in a completely different league (in both aesthetics and the way in which it functions) and completely destroys both winmo and android plain and simple, any one who argues has no idea or is seriously deluded.

The Android phone also looks pretty dissapointing. Very poor 90's looking interface, weak music player, no video player at all!, no 3.5mm headphone jack, average look, average spec. The google mail and contacts syncing and open source apps are nice but that really is about it. What is this really bringing to the table that is new? nothing IMO.

I was actually expecting so much more from google. How can you build a new platform and make it look so dated and ugly, when the competition is what it is? Their music player looks horrendous! The iphone makes the whole GUI look like an embaressing joke. No matter what people say aesthtics and usability are very important to consumers. Put it this way...apple didn't sell over 100million ipods because of their good sound quality.

This is why the M8 for me is so interesting......no one else is doing what Meizu are doing. Which company do you know right now using a brand new unused platform to build a unique completely custom interface for their cell phone?

No one is the answer.

They are actually trying to offer a nice looking interface with increased functionality other phones on the market simply don't have. Just the fact Meizu is using win ce 6.0 gives them so much more room to be creative and original. They are also only the second company in the world to implement multi-touch in a cell phone. If the video we have seen is anything to go by the interface on the M8 looks far more beautiful and better laid out than any Winmo phone and even googles android.

The M8 IMO is a true media centered convergence device. It has a far superior cpu than both the HTC and G1, it is bound to have a better music and video player too. It will also probably have better sound and with opera 9.5 and multitouch as well it will be able to compete head on with apples safari browser which IMO is the best mobile browser available.

This is the difference, HTC and GOOGLE are trying to compete with the iphone, Meizu are trying to better it.

I'm not saying they will necessarily suceed, they probably won't but they will hopefully produce a great device in the process. It is funny because many believe the M8 to be a clone but IMO Meizu are showing far more creativity and originality in their interface design, choice of components/platform, functionality etc than any other company right now.