THE WAIT IS OVER!!! (Almost?)

Otherwise known as Truth

stfu, you came here with an intention to start arguments and spam. go be retarded somewhere else.

Back to on-topic: this cutout shows the right attitude. We're waiting for a long time, let's make the best of it. GG!

the name of the topic is misleading, but inside there are some true fans

Everyone has the right to say whatever they feel but Darkado has his/her style of abusing to prove his/her point but whateva' makes u happy D !!

**** Meizu M8 to be released in Aug ****, around the same time Apple's releasing Iphone II, Google releasing its Android phone and Sony's secret project phone.

Too bad I must say. It'll be an outdated phone by then....don't you guys think so ??

If you mean the Xperia... that one is going to cost like 700 €? That's nearly $1100... I think even if the M8 is slightly outdated, I'd rather get the M8 than the SE. iPhone II will probably be again bound to a provider, so you'd have to jailbreak it again, etc. If jailbreaking will work... they might change the thing in a way that makes jailbreaking harder again.

There is NO Google Android phone. There are phones based on Android, but a phone by Google... don't think that is going to happen.

gangsta, you came here to spam, you deserve to be abused. this is not a place for fanboys, all the people here are open minded. Of course, they have to be to wait for a phone made by a company that have never produced phones but has other quality products that are great for the price.

iPhone 2 is not worth any comments cause it's pure speculation
google phone is a photoshop fake (for now)
how can you know anything about "sony secret phone" if it's so secret, but if you're talking about xperia i have to agree about the price tag. i don't think it would be/stay long at 700 euros, but even 500 is too much.

about the meizu being outdated...name one phone with that screen resolution, and of course all of the phones have a 666mhz cpu.

Originally Posted by darkado

about the meizu being outdated...name one phone with that screen resolution, and of course all of the phones have a 666mhz cpu.

That is the point: in September you will have many phones with this new standard processor, touchscreen, etc. That is the reason, why they all will be released the same time (all brands have to buy thier chips somewhere).

The point: 'performence' will not hold for Meizu's M8. In September this technique will be standard, but up to date.

The price: I expect the Xperia to be at: 300 - 500 € (without a contract - I never bought one with) - in the beginning : 500 €, but drops within 3 month (see the history of the consumer, NOT business phones). Why you think it will be more expensive? It includes almost the same standard technique the M8 will have + 50 € due to the name.

But: Meizu produces for China - if they manage to build good quality, that is good for them as SE, Nokia, Apple, etc. will not have such an impact in China. Meizu does not aim to have a big chance in Europe/USA, why should they? They desided to produce a high quality product for their (big) market. A good idea IMHO.

Again - meizu is not in hurry, they are good in time, if they manage to release the m8 in September.

Originally Posted by midsommer

The price: I expect the Xperia to be at: 300 - 500 € (without a contract - I never bought one with) - in the beginning : 500 €, but drops within 3 month (see the history of the consumer, NOT business phones). Why you think it will be more expensive? It includes almost the same standard technique the M8 will have + 50 € due to the name.

Because that's what someone from Sony said. The Xperia brand is supposed to be high end, at a high end price. So it's something between the Nokia N series and the 8000 phones by Nokia, I would say.

500 € is definately too low for that device. And if they want to keep that upmarket thing, they won't lower the price. I don't think the Bang & Olufsen Serene got much cheaper, or the Vertu models, or the 8000 series by Nokia.

Originally Posted by kadajawi

Because that's what someone from Sony said. The Xperia brand is supposed to be high end, at a high end price. So it's something between the Nokia N series and the 8000 phones by Nokia, I would say.

500 € is definately too low for that device. And if they want to keep that upmarket thing, they won't lower the price. I don't think the Bang & Olufsen Serene got much cheaper, or the Vertu models, or the 8000 series by Nokia.

well - at sony they told me, my m600i would start Sept. 2006 around 500 € - officially on vodaphone it was at 480 € (without contract), but street price was 320€. 6 month later it was 280 €.

Remember - sony has to say a high price, to put their biggest retailers (e.g. vodaphone, t-mobile, ...) in a good position. Never realized, that the price shown on the internet page ("this phone without contract: XXX.xx €") of any provider is alway mush higher than the real street price?
There is no market for such a device if it will cost 500 € (it has no business affection, and the iphone can do the same, but will be cheaper in 6 month) - I bet: 350,-€ Xperia will start - nothing more.

BTW: What makes Xperia a high end product? In principle, it can do the same as my m600 - but with new standard technique. BUT: no office suit, maps, gps, DMB, scanner, beamer, etc. nothing special - you might can add it, but that will cost. have I missed some speciallity?
Stop beeing impressed by the new, fancy screenshots and rotation effects. Just watch the specs. In September, they will be quite standard. I might be wrong, but just by watching the last five years, it had always been the same.

Bang & Olufsen is different - they do not claim to the mass market. They have to be high priced - althought the tech. does not reflect the money you have to spend, just for the image. It is like Apple BTW: the Iphone is not the big seller - just compare Nokia and Apple - the latter got a lot of attention, but Nokia still rules.

Originally Posted by midsommer

That is the point: in September you will have many phones with this new standard processor, touchscreen, etc. That is the reason, why they all will be released the same time (all brands have to buy thier chips somewhere).

The point: 'performence' will not hold for Meizu's M8. In September this technique will be standard, but up to date.

The price: I expect the Xperia to be at: 300 - 500 € (without a contract - I never bought one with) - in the beginning : 500 €, but drops within 3 month (see the history of the consumer, NOT business phones). Why you think it will be more expensive? It includes almost the same standard technique the M8 will have + 50 € due to the name.

you can't know that, even xperia has worse screen than m8. xperia is direct rival to e90 and tytn II and it will not cost less than 500e, it is highly possible it will cost a lot more than that. look at the price of w960i, it was a big disapointment and still has a price tag of 430-440e and it's out for more than 3 months.

Originally Posted by darkado

you can't know that, even xperia has worse screen than m8. xperia is direct rival to e90 and tytn II and it will not cost less than 500e, it is highly possible it will cost a lot more than that. look at the price of w960i, it was a big disapointment and still has a price tag of 430-440e and it's out for more than 3 months.

well: in germany we say: exeptions confirms the rules

of course I might be wrong - but: think: it was a dissapointment, => low sell rates, refinance the development, no mass production, have to finance the support, etc. I only say what I think, and the experiences I got over the years.

We will see in November: I can not see s.o. spending 500 € + for Xperia (I would not, and I really have no problem to do so; and IMHO: the w960 comes 1.5 years too late, the aimed market was gone, the consumer expected s.th. more like the iphone, Sony tried to make easy money with their w900 idea, but no big provider jumped onto the train).
But I can not see a reason why I should spend 500 € for an Xperia. And why should the tytn II and e60 compete with it? (office suite, release date, ... )? Both are for business, specially tuned with non standard techniques. Xperia definetelly aims for privat endconsumer with state of the standard technique in September - or do they have some bundles within I am not aware of (maps, office, etc)? I cannot see kiddies buying the tytn II or e60, but the Xperia.

AND: why should the Xperia has a worse screen than the M8?

You all need top get your facts straight. A Nokia N95 when it came out was over $1000 offline. A Sony Xperia will probably be about the same. An 8gb iphone offline (from ebay) will cost you $485 rock bottom (nobody bother argueing with this I just checked this very second). The M8 will still probably be better value many monthes later (if the pre release prices are correct). If the M8 releases at the stated pre release prices OFFLINE it will still undercut (in terms of price: features ratio) all of the new highend handsets which will available at that time from all of the big manufacturers. You can all start talking about any handset you want even highend htc phones. None of them have a 3.4 inch 16 million colour multi touch display, none of them will support xvid or RMVB out of the box, none of them will support flac out of the box. None of them will have USB OTG (unless you start entering umpc territory). Most likely none of them will have a 667mhz brand spanking new samsung 410 processor. And as for the iphone II, this is pure speculation it hasn't even been announced yet, it won't be available offline until they hit ebay and it will have all the current restrictions of the iphone. All this talk of '3 monthes down the line' is all rubbish as well. The facts remain, on release day the M8 will be cheaper and better value than all the NEW high end phones form all the large companies if it releases at the stated pre release prices. Rumours of an htc made phone running android is also again just speculation, doubt it will match the M8's specs anyway.

Originally Posted by sere83

You all need top get your facts straight. A Nokia N95 when it came out was over $1000 offline. A Sony Xperia will probably be about the same. An 8gb iphone offline (from ebay) will cost you $485 rock bottom (nobody bother argueing with this I just checked this very second). The M8 will still probably be better value many monthes later (if the pre release prices are correct). If the M8 releases at the stated pre release prices OFFLINE it will still undercut (in terms of price: features ratio) all of the new highend handsets which will available at that time from all of the big manufacturers. You can all start talking about any handset you want even highend htc phones. None of them have a 3.4 inch 16 million colour multi touch display, none of them will support xvid or RMVB out of the box, none of them will support flac out of the box. None of them will have USB OTG (unless you start entering umpc territory). Most likely none of them will have a 667mhz brand spanking new samsung 410 processor. And as for the iphone II, this is pure speculation it hasn't even been announced yet, it won't be available offline until they hit ebay and it will have all the current restrictions of the iphone. All this talk of '3 monthes down the line' is all rubbish as well. The facts remain, on release day the M8 will be cheaper and better value than all the NEW high end phones form all the large companies if it releases at the stated pre release prices. Rumours of an htc made phone running android is also again just speculation, doubt it will match the M8's specs anyway.

on the other side, who is telling you, the M8 will really come out one day
And I am really not impressed by the specs Meizu will have in September - only by the price (but: I would not spend more for a brand I do not know).

all is speculation. And: I would not get an iPhone for 315 € ( = 485 $) - but maybe for the 220 €, like I saw it last sat. in a shop (Ok refurbished, but in perfect condition)... (search harder!).

and the n95 is now at 370 € - the reason for this high price was/is due to non-standard hardware + software included.

Btw: fact is, that n95 could do the codecs, but does not support it - the question remains: why. Look the iphone- it also can do more, but no one aims to publish software, codec, etc. on it, as the market first wanted to see, if it will bring money. Now everybody sees: ups, there is some place to earn money, the SDK comes.

You are correct we have no idea if the M8 will drop on time and at the stated pre release prices. An N95 will obviously be cheaper now, i'm talking about when it was new, of course you can get one cheaper now it has been out for ages. The N95 is also a much less powerful machine than the M8 will be (much slower processor, smaller screen etc). It only beats the M8 on camera and the inclusion of 3G. But the M8 beats it in so many other IMO more important departments. I'm intereted in the M8's media playing capability which I presume a large percentage of people on here are too (considering meizu are only known for making mp3 players). How can a 3.4 inch 720x480 multitouch display, great codec support and one of the fastest, newest and most powereful CPU's which will be available plus a very cheap price not impress you?. U must have ridiculously high standards or be looking to use the M8 for other reasons instead of media playing like business use (which is clearly not what the device will be mainly built for)

Originally Posted by sere83

You are correct we have no idea if the M8 will drop on time and at the stated pre release prices. An N95 will obviously be cheaper now, i'm talking about when it was new, of course you can get one cheaper now it has been out for ages. The N95 is also a much less powereful machine than the M8 (much slower processor, smaller screen etc). It only beats the M8 on camera and the inclusion of 3G. But the M8 beats it in so many other IMO more important departments. I'm intereted in the M8's media playing capability which I presume a large percentage of people on here are too (considering meizu only make mp3 players). How can a 3.4 inch 720x480 multitouch display, great codec support and one of the fastest, newest and most powereful CPU's which will be available plus a very cheap price not impress you?. U must have ridiculously high standards or be looking to use the M8 for other reasons instead of media playing like business use (which is clearly not what the device will be built for)

please see: the N95 was new and provide the stuff with OLD and extended hardware. You can not compare it to the M8 - NOKIA had to put a lot of efford to put it into such a device - and there was no competitor - that'S why it was so expensive. You would also not compare an 2 years old processor with a new one - would you?

From september, the tech. of a M8 is standard (belive me) - that is what you have to realize - all new midprice phones will include such processores, touchscreens, etc. But not the low cost ones
BUT: one thing I want to emphasis: big brands will still be more expensive until november (most likely until January (X-Mass!)). I would guess to set it around 400 - 600 €, mostlikely being ugly and other failures Thereafter the M8 will have problems. I really hope Meizu starts before October to sell the 32 GB, 3G and front cam. equipted version - after january I would expect big brands beeing cheaper. And even if not: 50 € more for warranty with europe is fine with me.

BTW: I also see the M8 as a competitor to the iPhone - a cheap and better one. But after september, the tech. part is nothing impressive anymore, only the price. And I am also interested in the M8 (that's why I am here). But: I want to stay realistic.

i disagree about w960 not having a market, i for one was really looking forward to that phone hoping it would be a great deal better than w950 but i was wrong, it was worse in a lot of things and of course much better at some but still not good enough. se screwed up. i would pay 500e for a gadget if it's good enough but still none prove worthy of that kind of money. my most expensive phone was n73 at 375e year and a couple of moths ago.
315e for the iphone doesn't sound much for me. here in serbia 8gb iphone doesn't come cheaper than 400e and 16gb one is about 500-550e, way too much for an iphone. anyway m8 will have some of the features you rarely see in a phone. i agree about kids buying xperia just for looks, but also xperia's wm os is a great for bussines users so i think se made will make a great impact on a wide market with xperia. iphone 2 is far, far away and i think it won't make the kind of hype first one did. i would like to se m8 16gb (or 32gb if they ever make it) asap after the first and i think 3g is not a big deal, cause it's very expensive (i'm talking about internet over 3g, not calls, 3g calls here cost same as normal calls but i personaly don't need to see someone when i talk to them)

Originally Posted by darkado

i disagree about w960 not having a market, i for one was really looking forward to that phone hoping it would be a great deal better than w950 but i was wrong, it was worse in a lot of things and of course much better at some but still not good enough. se screwed up.

well - there it is. the w 960 has no market. I guess I did not use the right words. The concept of a w960 has a market, but SE failed to build the proper device.

Originally Posted by darkado

i would pay 500e for a gadget if it's good enough but still none prove worthy of that kind of money.

Fully agree!

Originally Posted by darkado

315e for the iphone doesn't sound much for me. here in serbia 8gb iphone doesn't come cheaper than 400e and 16gb one is about 500-550e, way too much for an iphone. anyway m8 will have some of the features you rarely see in a phone. i agree about kids buying xperia just for looks, but also xperia's wm os is a great for bussines users so i think se made will make a great impact on a wide market with xperia. iphone 2 is far, far away and i think it won't make the kind of hype first one did. i would like to se m8 16gb (or 32gb if they ever make it) asap after the first and i think 3g is not a big deal, cause it's very expensive (i'm talking about internet over 3g, not calls, 3g calls here cost same as normal calls but i personaly don't need to see someone when i talk to them)

Well - partly agree: as $ is weak, shopping in N.Y. makes the Iphone really afforable. But I do not want to spend money on a device, without Flash and bad outlook sync. Also 3G is a deal for me. I have a SE m600i, and use it for emails and webbrosing almost every day. Costs me: 3 € a month. Ok - no downloads, but I do not want to deal with shitty edge or GSM.

At the end: my expectations for the m8 are high - I wann have a 32GB, 3G, cam. equipted one ASAP, doing more than the iphone (Flash! - try to order pizza online without...), but being cheaper and at least as easy to use. If not I might stay with the Xperia.

Originally Posted by midsommer

please see: the N95 was new and provide the stuff with OLD and extended hardware. You can not compare it to the M8 - NOKIA had to put a lot of efford to put it into such a device - and there was no competitor - that'S why it was so expensive. You would also not compare an 2 years old processor with a new one - would you?

From september, the tech. of a M8 is standard (belive me) - that is what you have to realize - all new midprice phones will include such processores, touchscreens, etc. But not the low cost ones
BUT: one thing I want to emphasis: big brands will still be more expensive until november (most likely until January (X-Mass!)). I would guess to set it around 400 - 600 €, mostlikely being ugly and other failures Thereafter the M8 will have problems. I really hope Meizu starts before October to sell the 32 GB, 3G and front cam. equipted version - after january I would expect big brands beeing cheaper. And even if not: 50 € more for warranty with europe is fine with me.

BTW: I also see the M8 as a competitor to the iPhone - a cheap and better one. But after september, the tech. part is nothing impressive anymore, only the price. And I am also interested in the M8 (that's why I am here). But: I want to stay realistic.

Well.....I see what your saying but at the same time I'm not sure. You say that 'all new midprice phones will include such processores, touchscreens, etc' I don't think this is true. At the moment It is rare to find a cheaper phone with a screen above 3 inches and a high resolution screen above 320x240. It is also rare to find a relatively cheap phone running a powerful 667mhz processor with advanced video and audio decoding capabilities. If these companies were going to be releasing mid price range phones by august with powerful processors, touchscreens etc, they would be announcing them now (The Sony Xperia was announced a while back and will not be released until the 2nd half of the year, and is more of a high end device anyway).

In addition the samsung Cpu in the M8 has not even gone into production! and lets remember samsung is pretty much at the top of the game when it comes to making cell phone processors, there is no way the M8's cpu will be out of date by release time. It is highly likely that the rumoured Iphone II will also use a very similar processor.

I initially thought that M8 may be out of date before it has even hit the market. But now I see things differently. The iphone has been out for a long time and there is still nothing to rival it for what it's main uses are (a media orientated phone which is easy to use and powerful). The market still lacks really powerful media orientated cell phones (particularly in the video playback department and most PDA's which have the power are business focussed). In fact apple have built on their platform by releasing the sdk, getting game developers involved, as well as the 3rd party deveolpment community who have done a lot to expand it's use after jailbreaking. I see the M8 as somthing which could be similar and in fact grow in it's use and functionality once it is released and the community get involved.

Even the pre-release videos of nokia's s60 touch interface did not look too impressive. They are the biggest manafacturer in the world and we still have not heard anything about a phone to rival the iphone (in that category). We also must remember all the restrictions big companies impose.

I think if the M8 is delivered on time, at the right price and functions well, it will still be a force to be rekoned with. It may not hold a position at the very top end of the market that it would if it was released now, but toward the high end of the mid range media focussed category it will be unbeatable IMO.

Originally Posted by sere83

Well.....I see what your saying but at the same time I'm not sure. You say that 'all new midprice phones will include such processores, touchscreens, etc' I don't think this is true. At the moment It is rare to find a cheaper phone with a screen above 3 inches and a high resolution screen above 320x240. It is also rare to find a relatively cheap phone running a powerful 667mhz processor with advanced video and audio decoding capabilities. If these companies were going to be releasing mid price range phone by august with powerful processors, touchscreens etc, they would be announcing them now (The Sony Xperia was announced a while back and will not be released until the 2nd half of the year, and is more of a high end device anyway).

Well here you missed me: my point was, after June (that is btw. the second half of the year), why should a company NOT use a standard Samsung chip. Samsung is not selleing explicitelly to Meizu, but to ALL brands. I would not expect other mid price phones to stay on old processores. Even the fabs all will have switched, so the old chips will become more expensive!

Originally Posted by sere83

In addition the samsung Cpu in the M8 has not even gone into production! and lets remember samsung is pretty much at the top of the game when it comes to making cell phone processors, there is no way the M8's cpu will be out of date by release time. It is highly likely that the rumoured Iphone II will also use a very similar processor.

agree

Originally Posted by sere83

I initially thought that M8 may be out of date before it has even hit the market. But now I see things differently. The iphone has been out for a long time and there is still nothing to rival it for what it's main uses are (a media orientated phone which is easy to use and powerful). In fact apple have built on the platform by releasing the sdk, getting game developers involved, as well as the 3rd party deveolpment community who have done a lot to expand it's use after jailbreaking. I see the M8 as somthing which could be similar and in fact grow in it's use and functionality once it is released and the community get involved.

Frankly, I do not see an enthusiastic, capable community around the meizu - just by the forum posts I can see, no one here has higher programming skils or knowledge of semicon. industry, not to speak about a project. But I really would be happy if. And please: writing scripts, python proggies and doing photoshop is NOT programming!

Originally Posted by sere83

Even the pre-release videos of nokia's s60 touch interface did not look too impressive. They are the biggest manafacturer in the world and we still have not heard anything a bout a phone to rival the iphone. We also must remember all the restrictions big companies impose.

The video mentioned is very very old, on old hardware! For this, it was impressive (it offers mush more than the Iphone). But: I do not see masses running into a store spendeing 1000$ for such a device. That might had been the point of nokia, too. Watch the Iphone. In june, let say August: then there will be 3rd party app. which might increase the usability. no intelligent man would have bough a high priced phone without an working sync, without any relevant apps. But the apple fanboys did.

So Nokia decided to wait until the new hardware will be released - do not cost so much money and they just build up a totaly new fab in eastern Europe. Nokia even claimed, that everybody was impressed by the high sellrates such a low level device, as the iPhone is, would achiev. Be honest: The iphone is fun, but only with the still not published add ons it will be usable as a business phone (I own a Ipod touch btw. - nice gadget, but even with jailbreak so many stuff are missing). Only apple can do such a stuff, selling a device, without any relevant software. If the iphone would had been released by Nokia or SE, it would had been a desaster. Everybody would claim, missing this, missing that.

Btw: I hate the gyro sensor, it never worked (ok -mosttimes it worked but s.th. not)! Also: I really miss the options to lower/higher the voice while in landscape mode (playback). Most times I hear music, the gyro switched into landscape mode, than flip it back is annoying... horrible. I hope meizu let us tune the voice level with two of the three buttons...

Originally Posted by sere83

I hink if the M8 is delivered on time, at the right price and functions well, it will still be a force to be rekoned with. It may not hold it's position at the very top end of the market that it would if it was released now, but toward the high end of the mid range it will be unbeatable IMO.

Well - I would see it still as a clone - thats all. If it is high quality and fulfill the same stuff the Iphone does (usability) + Flash, 3G, front cam. and long batteries + outlook sync, I will buy it. But in one year, the M8 will be outdated. Remember my words in one year. I bet: then the first phone with beamer will be standard, video out and 128 GB capacity.