PETITION to make stuttering issue meizu's #1 priority.

Is this really so annoying? Do you actually care what you hear AFTER the whole song? This doesn't make any sense.

Meizu is great, and saying stuff like "I will buy another mp3 player!" won't do anything. Besides you already spent money for M6 haha so I don't think Meizu cares if you buy other player now.

Originally Posted by stranded

Is this really so annoying? Do you actually care what you hear AFTER the whole song? This doesn't make any sense.

Meizu is great, and saying stuff like "I will buy another mp3 player!" won't do anything. Besides you already spent money for M6 haha so I don't think Meizu cares if you buy other player now.

i couldnt agree with you more. first of all, the song is finish, therefore, i couldnt care less if it stutters. it doesnt affect me. thats the least. NO MP3 PLAYER IS PERFECT. i want people to think about what they got for the price they paid. if u want a perfect mp3 player then take out $300 - $400 US and it still wont be perfect (weird statement). The m6 is very good overall.
Dont pressure them, they are working to make the m8 near to perfect cuz u will be the same one complaining about m8 vs iphone.
Thanx 4 reading

I won't turn the volume down everytime song ends. Do you? I use my meizu in my car. I have just amplifier and speakers... Meizu is my only audio source in car. So it would be even dangerous to lower the volume everytime... and when you listen at high volumes it may really scare you or make your ears scream... So I think it is a really big problem. When NO other player does it, why should Meizu?

Originally Posted by Janne

I won't turn the volume down everytime song ends. Do you? I use my meizu in my car. I have just amplifier and speakers... Meizu is my only audio source in car. So it would be even dangerous to lower the volume everytime... and when you listen at high volumes it may really scare you or make your ears scream... So I think it is a really big problem. When NO other player does it, why should Meizu?

im 100% sure that it does not happen after every song, once in a while. the mp3 player is not perfect. the other players dont do it cuz they do not have the sound card and other hardware that meizu is using which gives us that perfect sound with that 10 band eq. u r using it in ur car just to show. if u buy a next one, the quality will not be that good unless u r willing to spend more which i already said earlier.

soooo you have a stutter after a song while listening in a car...big deal :/ it's not a car player

stuttering is caused by a wrong encoder, i don't even know which one but it happens really rare to me, only happend like 5 times so far

there are a lot of more things to add/fix to the player than this

Originally Posted by stranded

soooo you have a stutter after a song while listening in a car...big deal :/ it's not a car player

stuttering is caused by a wrong encoder, i don't even know which one but it happens really rare to me, only happend like 5 times so far

there are a lot of more things to add/fix to the player than this

Exactly. I'll run a few tests on what does and what doesn't stutter (i have quite a few songs that stutter at the end and a couple which have the "slow stuttering" bug every once in a while), and come up with a conclusion.

As far as i've noticed, stuttering only happens on MP3s, and it's probably coz not all the encoders are standard-conformant. You can't blaim Meizu for respecting the standards. All MP3s that i ripped from CDs using the Fraunhofer encoder, which IS the standard as the Fraunhofer Institute developed the MP3 format, never stuttered. It seems to be bugging up on VBR songs encoded with LAME, but i have yet to run proper tests.

Stay tuned.

haha i'm a noobie to meizu too ..
But

*signed*

I guess i'm just kinda sensitive to these type of things ..

I'll sign too!

It seems to be still there with 2.004.5 FW right?

people in here trying to make excuses for the stutter are misguided and simply wrong IMO. I have owned many mp3 playing devices and every single one of them (and even ones that were very cheap and not great build quality) did not have an issue with stuttering. Even the mp3 cd players I have owned have not had this problem. So to say it is a problem with the encoding of files is rubbish. The primary function of this player is to play MP3's and the botom line is it cannot play certain mp3's (which most other devices can play). Why should I be forced to use a particular mp3 encoder? no other companies make me do this? This is not to say the m6 and m3 aren't good players they simply have a glitch in their firmware that needs rectifying. Understand this is problem that needs fixing and stop trying to make excuses. Some of you may settle for this and it may not bother you, good for you. I on the hand do not want my songs to stutter (even just a few) and will simply not settle for it as there are many good cheap mp3 players around that will not stutter. This is why I don't own an M6 or an M3. I'm not trying to say that Meizu players are all bad, they do have many great functions but the bottom line is they're firmware has problems and this is a big one. I do however hope to buy an M8 when it comes out and hopefully this will not be an issue as it runs on a different OS.

sere83, i like the fact that u dont own one. as ive said before i dont think its that easy to fix as it would have been done long time ago. they are working on the m8 which u guys want to be perfect.

i think its some hardware inside that causes this not a firmware problem. just maybe in order to fix this, hardware will have to be remove which will reduce the sound quality.

i just simply believe this signing thing is a waste of time. if it's really annoying when it happens very rarely then switch your player and call it a loss.

Originally Posted by roryrudy

i think its some hardware inside that causes this not a firmware problem. just maybe in order to fix this, hardware will have to be remove which will reduce the sound quality.

nope, this has absolutely nothing to do with hardware.

let me clarify this one for you: the mp3/ogg/... file is decoded into PCM through the cpu (ARM in our case), then a DAC (digital-to-analog converter, the main thing responsible for the SQ) converts your PCM stream to analog output, that's what you are actually listening to through your phones

so there are 2 possibilities:
1) the DAC or CPU is faulty (your socalled HW error), in such a case every soundfile will be corrupted, not only mp3. -> that's definetly not the case
2) the procedure of decoding the mp3file is not well written, thus you get your mp3files to play badly, however ogg/flac/wav decoding still is stable -> yep, that's it

Ill sign to make the update library the first issue to fix

Originally Posted by pals

nope, this has absolutely nothing to do with hardware.

the procedure of decoding the mp3file is not well written, thus you get your mp3files to play badly, however ogg/flac/wav decoding still is stable.

Exactly. But you know who really are the ones to blame? It's MICROSH*T dudes!!! All chinese portable media players are more or less based on (stolen) M$ code. So if M$ has a bug in their code, it'll be reproduced on the players.

Originally Posted by sere83

people in here trying to make excuses for the stutter are misguided and simply wrong IMO. I have owned many mp3 playing devices and every single one of them (and even ones that were very cheap and not great build quality) did not have an issue with stuttering. Even the mp3 cd players I have owned have not had this problem. So to say it is a problem with the encoding of files is rubbish.

Go document yourself on the MP3 standard, compare today's commonly used encoders with the reference. You'll see that the problem does indeed lie in the encoding. It has something to do with the craptacular ID3 tag handling in winamp too.

Okay, you've had cheap players that didn't stutter. But you do not have an M6 to be able to make a fair comparison. The M6SL sounds WAY better than any player i've owned (i had an Archos too, that's the only one that comes close to the M6), and apart of the slightly jagged fonts, the UI is very well polished.

Now on to the real issue. Why don't they fix it? Coz they just don't give a damn. Do you think anyone even partly related to Meizu ever browses this forum? Most likely answer, no. But let's keep signing though.

@Th3_uN1Qu3:

I remember the M-series designer saying he would check MeizuMe everyday on last years CeBIT interview video on YouTube.

It's this one. I'm sure you know it too.

Originally Posted by Tangmu

@Th3_uN1Qu3:

I remember the M-series designer saying he would check MeizuMe everyday on last years CeBIT interview video on YouTube.

It's this one. I'm sure you know it too.

Actually, i didn't know it. :P But this was last year and the stuttering is still there.

Still, he's a designer and not an engineer, so he can't fix the issue himself. But what i think is really going on is that Meizu have better things to do (read: M8) than fixing issues on mp3s created with crappy encoders. After all, it's not Meizu's fault.

how do you know that the m8 will be perfect??? after the release of the m8, they might be putting all their work into a m10 or something.

Originally Posted by Whatakevin

how do you know that the m8 will be perfect??? after the release of the m8, they might be putting all their work into a m10 or something.

If they don't want to lose big parts of their community they better don't! Getting M8 out the door was a hard test on every MEIZU fan already!

Originally Posted by Th3_uN1Qu3

Actually, i didn't know it. :P But this was last year and the stuttering is still there.

Still, he's a designer and not an engineer, so he can't fix the issue himself. But what i think is really going on is that Meizu have better things to do (read: M8) than fixing issues on mp3s created with crappy encoders. After all, it's not Meizu's fault.

ok so how is it that mp3's created with 'crappy encoders' play on a host of other players? Go search for yourself, people in this forum have tested files on an m6 then on other players. The other players have had no problems with the files but they still stutter on the M6. So in what way is that due to a 'crappy encoder' when other players can play these files fine? Sounds like excuses to me. Also how is it that quite a few people reported the stuttering to have been reduced by one of the recent firmware updates? sounds like a firmware issue to me. Fair enough I don't own an M6 but I have used one on many ocassions, this is irrelevent though when there are so many people talking about it on the forum. Who is going to make up lies about the M6's stuttering? you would have to be really sad to do that. I do agree though that the engineers are probably too busy to care about the issue.

I own a M3 since 2 days. I upgraded Firmware to M3 T2.004.3.
For my mp3 I use Exact Audio Copy (v.095 beta 4) in secure mode. The files are encoded with LAME 3.97 to VBR V2. Never had any problems with my files on other players (iPod nano, Samsung K3…)
But it seems the meizu M3 can’t handle my files: stuttering at the end (I count maybe 10 times) and from the beginning of tracks (I count 3 times – in 2 days!).

It seems meizu won't fix this heavy bug in time because new Firmware won't.

So that’s my conclusion: this player goes back to the seller and I will get another. No meizu for sure!

Originally Posted by Tangmu

It seems to be still there with 2.004.5 FW right?

Not to be repetitive but, yes, it's still in 2.004.5 FW. I just got my M6 SL 2 days ago with 2.004.5 pre-loaded.

I notice it only in the Amazon.com MP3s I have purchased. All of my other MP3s encoded with LAME are fine and I doubt that Amazon is improperly encoding their MP3s. I think this is due to Amazon embedding large album art images into the ID3v2 tags (along with some other Amazon.com Song ID stuff).

After removing all but the iD3v1 tags, the end of song stuttering is gone. Kinda sucks since I like to use Amazon.com to get my MP3s (legally) and I will have to continue to "fix" these problems. :P

*signed*