This is a discussion on J.Wong reply on 1 Oct within the miniOne M8 forums, part of the Meizu Product Discussions category; 以下是引用 J.Wong 在2008-10-1 14:55:00的发言：
设计m8的时候没考虑成本,只考虑性能.
但魅友主要是学生和年轻的白领,所以要考虑大家能消费得起的心理价位，只有尽量想办法降低成本
Went design M8 we not consider cost, just consider on performance.
But Meizu fans ...
Went design M8 we not consider cost, just consider on performance.
But Meizu fans mostly student and White-collar, so must consider all people afford to spend at heart（thinking）of price , so we will try hard to cut down the cost.
all fans must say what is higher price can accept, than i will tell you what the performance. (he come out a thread for vote the acceptable price for M8)
RMVB need money and Authorized license and is not cheap,
if pay money than able to play Smooth rmvb in VGA size.
（JW means need pay to real to get play smooth rmvb in VGA size）
note， currently trail unit M8 tested found able to play rmvb but not smooth.
Office view also need money（Authorized license），and not required by every one, so we plan owner need pay to get software。
以下是引用J.Wong在2008-10-1 15:51:00的发言：
心理价位,最高承受价位,意思是魅友最高能消费得起的价位,跟性能配制无关啊
heart of price, accepted higher price means meizu fans most can afford of price, and not related to performance/Spec.
以下是引用J.Wong在2008-10-1 15:54:00的发言：
我们不会出几种配制不一样的型号,所以才综合考虑魅友的最高接受价格
We will come out few different packages of M8, that why we will consider meizu fans most acceptable higher price of M8.
以下是引用J.Wong在2008-10-1 16:00:00的发言：
这不好说,光软件降低不了很多成本
Software (license cost) actually can't cut the cost down too much.
以下是引用J.Wong在2008-10-1 16:03:00的发言：
看大家多数能接受的价格呀
i come out a thread to see how much people can accept price(M8)
以下是引用J.Wong在2008-10-1 16:05:00的发言：
做到最好大多数人买不起咋整
if we make best mobilephone， most people can't afford to buy.
以下是引用J.Wong在2008-10-1 16:23:00的发言：
目前m8我最不满意的就是后壳与BYD电池外观工艺不怎样
currently i not Satisfy with rear cover(M8) and BYD batteries out look just so so only. BYD=china batteries supplyer
currently MoviNAND price very high, 1 unit equal to 2 unit MLC flash price, add the tax， factory process profit， and re-seller profit，so 16GB m8 price will higher 8GB about 500rmb （about 70-80USD）
very sorry, after we contact the Tencent （QQ owwer）they required put advertisment on their website, or join advertisment, after that we not contact anymore. we(meizu) in quite long period will not have big advertisment budget.
Spec just a guideline, now we found IC company annouce spec mostly not trusted, in side spec alot of word/technical game only. after this in new development of product, we will required IC company to signature to comfirm the spec that we can feel relieved.
Nice post.
But the M8 will not have an SD/MMC slot?
Why didn't they try out a MicroSD slot? It's so much smaller, but it's properly more expensive, I don't know. I see they don't like M8 become too tough for the wallet.
Oh, he can't ask them to vote without saying which specs correspond to what price. Sounds like he plans to cut things out last minute to fit with budget (although to be fair, no official spec sheet was released to begin with.)
Oh well, I guess we will find out more as the month progresses.
Oh, he can't ask them to vote without saying which specs correspond to what price. Sounds like he plans to cut things out last minute to fit with budget (although to be fair, no official spec sheet was released to begin with.)
Oh well, I guess we will find out more as the month progresses.
they try to cut down meterial cost and Software license cost or profit to fit price which affordable to purchase buy meizu fans （china market）
I do hope wince is coded well enough to avoid your phone slowly crashing itself as you load and (manually I guess) unload apps. Running too many apps at the same time gives the same result.
Am I understanding correctly that they finally gave us another releaseperiod? :D
Am I understanding correctly that they finally gave us another releaseperiod? :D
I really hope they didn't...
Here's a pic from the bbs posted by some tester (I'll never understand these "spy shots" they are always from the worst angle possible...):
I'm sure it won't have a silver edge like the iphone and the clones because that would make it very ugly. The white one may have a colored edge but definetely not a silver one (I hope).
Another thing: JW made a topic (link) I'm not sure what it's about so I'm not trying to translate it... but take a look at the prizes
Here's the original image I posted on page 1
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Thanks to keep us updated it's a contest it's possible to win a 16 gb version so do you mean that maybe the 16 gb version and 8gb version will be released at the same time?
imo its a good idea to cut down the price with the licenses so if some1 needs to read word or pdf documents he can buy the viewer at meizu or smth like that =)
i would prefer the system nokia uses, you can read the documents for free, but not edit or create without paying, perhaps this is a good idea wich would please most of us!
I know it's kind of too early/late for meizu to consider Android. But most of the m8's cost seems to be software. It would be quite the cost saver if they could make you choose between win CE or android. Like most pc manufactures allow you to choose between windows or ubuntu, the latter having a lower price point.
I would actually prefer windows ce, since there is already a lot of software available for it (if that will work on the m8 at least)
I think there will be the possibility for a lot of freeware products from the community (like pdf-readers,media players,...)
I dont know enough to make a final conclusion, but either way i think each operating system will have its own pro's and con's, so lets just see what it will bring, and hope for the best!
I would actually prefer windows ce, since there is already a lot of software available for it (if that will work on the m8 at least)
I think there will be the possibility for a lot of freeware products from the community (like pdf-readers,media players,...)
I dont know enough to make a final conclusion, but either way i think each operating system will have its own pro's and con's, so lets just see what it will bring, and hope for the best!
If MeizuOS is largely compatible with applications developed for WinMo 6.1, I am with you on this: There is a ton of soft, both commercial and free, more than for android at this time, and it would make the m8 immediately useful, regardless of the quality of the included utilities.
However, for now, the degree of backward (or forward, if we consider WinMo 7, but it is not as important now as it was 3 month ago: the delay for WinMo 7 makes it an outsider imho) compatibility is completely unknown...As is the abilitiy and willingness of Meizu to stand behing the m8 and offer bugfixes/upgrade to their OS.
That's why I am happy with a custom WinCE6 (if it is reasonably compatible with Winmo 6.1), I would be happy with Android, but I would be very very happy with a dual boot: Meizu offering a way to install the free Android OS on their phone would be a killer feature, one that would be unprecedented in the mobile world and great added value (in the sense it garantee that your m8 will not become an unmaintained piece of junk after 1 year).
At this time, and given the G1, m8 would be a very attractive device for android community, it could be a better openmoko and maybe (depending on success) a trend-setter, forcing the same evolution the PC had to mobile: differentiation between software provider and hardware provider, which is imho the reason we have cheap and performant PC nowadays. The fact that among the software provider we have opensource is also the only limit to a DRM/pay-per-view/ future (or present, in the case of most phones)...
If J. Wong read this: Allow dual boot and all minor bugs on the m8 will be forgiven, and yo have a second chance to be a trend setter in the portable electronic device world (the first one was when Meizu announced m8 when iPhone was announced, and promizing it for 2007/early 2008. At the time it would have crushed the competition, but not anymore with the delay...)
I know it's kind of too early/late for meizu to consider Android. But most of the m8's cost seems to be software. It would be quite the cost saver if they could make you choose between win CE or android. Like most pc manufactures allow you to choose between windows or ubuntu, the latter having a lower price point.
Can't be done.
One of the major expenses is customizing and maintaining the OS, and this would not be cheap if they'd have to do it with two OSes.
The OS running on a phone has to be customized largely to the target device, there is no standard, like the IBM-Compitable computer.
Phones have way to different H/W for that.
Besides, I don't think Microsoft is to harsh about the licensing fee for WinCE (and WinMO), as they are desperatly struggeling to steal market shares from Symbian and OSX (and BlackBerry OS in the american market).
I do however absolutly support Meizu in not intergrating anything extra software without taking extra payed.
Do all of us really need Office on the phone?
I think the answer is no. Let those who use it pay for it.
(although to be fair, no official spec sheet was released to begin with.)
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