This is a discussion on 3G iPhone has overtaken the M8 for me within the miniOne M8 forums, part of the Meizu Product Discussions category; Originally Posted by SteveMB93
but they have shown prototypes.
You are so biased it even hurts to read.
Where is ...
The working prototype LOL. My youngest brother could do that, what they showed in cebit. It was more like working clone toy for kids of ipod touch, without functions.
The iPhone isn't the king of smartphones because it isn't even a smartphone. The N95 on the other hand, is a smartphone. The M8 does exist. Please do your research before you say stupid stuff like that. It is not a commercially available product, but they have shown prototypes.
The prototype was a case with a screen and didn't function at all really.
? The software was barely even started then. I don't know how that is NOT a prototype. Prototypes aren't supposed to be like the finished product, not even close.
? The software was barely even started then. I don't know how that is NOT a prototype. Prototypes aren't supposed to be like the finished product, not even close.
True...but at the CEBIT, the proto shown was already a big dissapointment, everybody expected something closer to finished product, because Wong while not saying explicitely, was implying that the m8 will be demoed there. and the m8 presented was such an early prototype that this do not really count as a demo.
Worse, just after CEBIT Wong promised a working prototype at the ??? show in China (do not remember the name of the city, sorry), and a video of a working m8 before that. To make up for the CEBIT presentation shortcomings...
Since then, the m8 presence at the china expo has been canceled, and there is zero video floating around. Instead, this has been replaced by renderings of the "final" M8 interface. Not actual photos of the M8 showing this interface, but rendering...while a video was promised...
Sorry, but it can not be clearer that the m8 development is not going smoothly....And besides a test board showing still images, Meizu has said a lot, broken a lot of promises, and shown zero hard evidence of progress nor sticked to any kind of reliable timeline... :-(
If it is not vaporware, I have never seen product development presented so poorly before...
There isn't that much positive news available for the Meizu fan at the moment, unless you disagree. And seriously, usually there is a reason behind it when people are negative/unhappy about something.
This Meizu behaviour, it's not something trustable to consumers at all. Many people say they don't like the way Apple is running their products, but to go for a Chinese company like Meizu instead doesn't look much of an improvement to me atm. The only difference is that Apple is actually delivering their products, and meizu hasn't proven themselves in any way for the past 18 months.
Or maybe I'm sick of all the negativity, the Apple fanboys, and the bandwagon fans.
If you knew nothing, i mean NOTHING about the M8 and someone would show you a testing board, with a screen soldered to it showing stills and told you "this is a prototype for a revolutionary smartphone that will surpass existing models like the iPhone, both in features and price"...how could you not laugh??
What would that prototype tell you or show you?
The software was non-existant. The hardware was no where final. The form-factor...speculative.
What would that prototype show you of the final product?
Because if it shows you nothing in the way to the final product, it isn't a prototype...it's a mockup, or whatever name you want to call it.
When you look at that board you see hope, you see something that is slowly moving foward, because you truly (and sometimes blindly) believe in the future and capabilities of the M8.
Someone without that knowledge and faith in this company and product would simply have a good laugh and move on.
That is why that thing they showed was a disappointment to most people, and to many not even worth being called a (working) prototype.
Just to make this on-topic:
The iPhone3G has indeed, clearly overtaken the M8.
Just because it is here, being released all over the world in a few days...gathering huge marketforce, tremendous developer support and in time overcoming some of it's limitations either by sotware updates or thirdparty applications.
Last edited by Dark Angel; 06-25-2008 at 10:56 PM..
"Often prototypes are built using very limited engineering detail as compared to final production intent."
Also, when did they tell us ""this is a prototype for a revolutionary smartphone that will surpass existing models like the iPhone, both in features and price"?
I didn't know that they told us that. It MIGHT be true, but I don't remember them telling us that.
Or maybe I'm sick of all the negativity, the Apple fanboys, and the bandwagon fans.
I'm with you on this one.
@ Dark Angel: The "3G" iphone isn't even actually 3G. And if you skip the fanboyism you would realize that there is nothing to brag about in the iphone. It's just a crappy PDA.
I had one to play with, not for a couple minutes, i took it home for a few days. I reinstalled its firmware as it was crashed, unlocked it, then just played with it. I was impressed at first by its looks, but looks alone can't make a great product, at least not for me. And they didn't.
It doesn't even touch the M6SL in sound quality, i fired up my old cheapo Actions MP4 player and it sounded better than the iphone. Also its speaker is... uh... I don't think i could hear it ringing on the street if i wouldn't have the earphones plugged in. Even if i could hear it, it's miles away from my Nokia 6234 and even from my old SE K310i. I have to admit the speaker has good quality, but it ain't good if it ain't loud.
If i was serious about getting a PDA/phone, i'd probably grab a HP.
"Often prototypes are built using very limited engineering detail as compared to final production intent."
Also, when did they tell us ""this is a prototype for a revolutionary smartphone that will surpass existing models like the iPhone, both in features and price"?
I didn't know that they told us that. It MIGHT be true, but I don't remember them telling us that.
We apparently have different views on what a "prototype" is, it happens.
They didn't...it was part of an imaginary scenario, that's all.
But you should agrre with me, that it is the idea they have been giving all this tiem...that it will be revolutionary, etc..
Originally Posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
@ Dark Angel: The "3G" iphone isn't even actually 3G. And if you skip the fanboyism you would realize that there is nothing to brag about in the iphone. It's just a crappy PDA.
Why not? Because it doesn't allow for video conferencing/calls?
You complain about negativism and bashing towards the M8 but every time we discuss its long delayed development, the iPhone is also bashed every time.
If it is worth all the hype or not, doesn't matter...I only intended to make a point that being good or not, it is here and the M8 still isn't.
So it will always be better until that changes, that's all.
Last edited by Dark Angel; 06-27-2008 at 02:43 PM..
The iPhone wasn't bashed all the time. Do I even bash the iPhone? Or do I list it's MAJOR flaws, which for the most part are not problems for other phones, and the Meizu has the chance to be better than the iPhone, by quite a bit. I believe that that was a prototype. By the way, this is a Fansite and Forum for Meizu Products. To remind you of that, it is in the top right hand corner of your screen.
By the way, this is a Fansite and Forum for Meizu Products. To remind you of that, it is in the top right hand corner of your screen.
Wasn't I discussing the M8, it's "prototype" and delays to launch?
I referred that IMO the iPhone 3G is ahead of the M8 just because it will exist on market on a very short term, which is kind of the subject of the topic...
"You complain about negativism and bashing towards the M8 but every time we discuss its long delayed development, the iPhone is also bashed every time."
@ Dark Angel: The "3G" iphone isn't even actually 3G. And if you skip the fanboyism you would realize that there is nothing to brag about in the iphone. It's just a crappy PDA.
I had one to play with, not for a couple minutes, i took it home for a few days. I reinstalled its firmware as it was crashed, unlocked it, then just played with it. I was impressed at first by its looks, but looks alone can't make a great product, at least not for me. And they didn't.
It doesn't even touch the M6SL in sound quality, i fired up my old cheapo Actions MP4 player and it sounded better than the iphone. Also its speaker is... uh... I don't think i could hear it ringing on the street if i wouldn't have the earphones plugged in. Even if i could hear it, it's miles away from my Nokia 6234 and even from my old SE K310i. I have to admit the speaker has good quality, but it ain't good if it ain't loud.
If i was serious about getting a PDA/phone, i'd probably grab a HP.
3G isnt about video call's its about internet connection and iphone has better than 3G its hsdpa. And for all meizu fans, if you want to wait for product that wont probably even come out and will be canceled u all can wait and see, personaly i'll buy 3g iphone as is milions other gona buy. M8 wont even have app's, apps for wm6 and older platforms wont even work with windows ce so why are you waiting for this product? If it have gps or even 3G connection which I highly wont believe, i would buy it for my 2 years old kid for a gindergarden toy.
Meizu sucks and i could compare m8 and iphone as pussy cat and lion.
go fuck yourself you retarded fanboy, why the fuck do you even post here, i'm sick of retards like you. i see you're psychic too, that's just great, double retard
3G isnt about video call's its about internet connection and iphone has better than 3G its hsdpa. And for all meizu fans, if you want to wait for product that wont probably even come out and will be canceled u all can wait and see, personaly i'll buy 3g iphone as is milions other gona buy. M8 wont even have app's, apps for wm6 and older platforms wont even work with windows ce so why are you waiting for this product? If it have gps or even 3G connection which I highly wont believe, i would buy it for my 2 years old kid for a gindergarden toy.
Meizu sucks and i could compare m8 and iphone as pussy cat and lion.
LOL where do I begin, first the Alpha revision will be released July 15 so I don't think its gonna be canceled any time soon. Meizu might not have ALOT of app's when it first comes out but if I remember correctly all of the Iphone's apps are Apple controlled. LOL just cause millions of people buy something doesn't mean its the best. Ex. Everyone bought an Ipod but if they would listen to Cowon or Iriver or Meizu they would drop an Ipod in a minute just because they have shitty audio quality. Alot of people bought you just because other people would think they were "cool" you seem to fit into that category.
Sure Iphone is better for now cause its released already and the m8 isn't. So its better for now....
Last edited by tainted peak; 07-05-2008 at 03:52 PM..
3G isnt about video call's its about internet connection and iphone has better than 3G its hsdpa. And for all meizu fans, if you want to wait for product that wont probably even come out and will be canceled u all can wait and see, personaly i'll buy 3g iphone as is milions other gona buy. M8 wont even have app's, apps for wm6 and older platforms wont even work with windows ce so why are you waiting for this product? If it have gps or even 3G connection which I highly wont believe, i would buy it for my 2 years old kid for a gindergarden toy.
Meizu sucks and i could compare m8 and iphone as pussy cat and lion.
Why the hell would you even join this forum? Your an arrogant prick talking absolute shit, F*** off!
3G isnt about video call's its about internet connection and iphone has better than 3G its hsdpa. And for all meizu fans, if you want to wait for product that wont probably even come out and will be canceled u all can wait and see, personaly i'll buy 3g iphone as is milions other gona buy. M8 wont even have app's, apps for wm6 and older platforms wont even work with windows ce so why are you waiting for this product? If it have gps or even 3G connection which I highly wont believe, i would buy it for my 2 years old kid for a gindergarden toy.
Meizu sucks and i could compare m8 and iphone as pussy cat and lion.
It's going to be canceled? Thanks for the update Jack Wong... Oh wait you're just a troll. Tell us why the M8 sucks compared to the iPhone, which requires a 2 year contract and does not have a removable battery. I wouldn't want GPS or 3G in my phone. GPS is a battery sucker and I don't need 3G, Wi-Fi and the internet through the provider is pretty cheap and fast. What makes you say that the M8 won't have app's? I am willing to bet you that it will have a large community. Not as large as the iPhone's, but I am sure there will be many great programs. WinCE is a lot more open than Mobile OSX.
Last edited by SteveMB93; 07-05-2008 at 10:00 PM..
The M8 is way to far along to be cancelled!
Yes it does seem like it is taking forever but I still trust it will come to market.
Steve I still must disagree with you on the whole contract issue as you do not need one in order for you to buy it, it just is not going to cost the $199 or $299 that someone under contract will purchase.
Sans contract it will be $599 or $699. So again lets drop the whole contract issue as that has been proven moot time and time again.
Now the battery issue is true. It would be nice to see them allow for a Easy battery swap unlike the current built in and whole soldering issue to replace.
The Meizu using CE will have Apps out there readily available. The real question comes to screen fit as the Meizu screen size and display characteristics may cause issue at first as many of the CE programs are built for smaller 320x240 screens. Again something easily overcome.
Although I have gotten the Iphone and am waiting to swap it this week for the 3g, I will say that I look forward to having 3g in comparison to without it. If your region is 3g great if not oh well.
Now M8 to be this late into the game and to build a phone without 3g and without WiFi, I personally think is a major mistake.....
I hope that is not the case. They have put together what looks to be a new phone standard for others to try to reach and to skimp there would be tragic and a great disservice to all those waiting for this phone.
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