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I have had a chance to try out the Meizu PT850 (without foam) now... oh my god. Yes, they may be ok for earphones they put in the box, but god are they aweful! No real
bass, but huge amounts of kick bass. And highs are somehow lacking too, and everything else, really. Sennheiser MX300 (with foam, no idea how they perform without) are by far better than that, they can provide at least some real, more or less deep bass, and are somewhat well balanced, at least compared to the PT850. Of course, the Koss KSC-50 are miles ahead of either of those, but at least the MX300 is miles ahead of the PT850. I like the shining metal of the PT850 though. :D
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